Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[Nocturnal]

Hodlr my beer. Added some shares and a couple March 5th $1050s. More powder waiting if I see a really big bargain.

 

[ZachF]

Well inflation is so widely misreported and misrepresented. Of course 2021 inflation was much higher 2020 was way down.

Eh, not really…

Inflation last year was about 7%, and the way housing inflation is calculated massively understates housing/rent inflation (which is officially 4%, which is just… lol)

For comparison the inflation of 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020 combined is about 9%.

 

[OrthoSurg]

Redemption comes next week. Today is the time to buy.

Thats what I think too. May Monday be the greatest rally of all time. Redeem us wallstreet bulls.

 

[bballshinobi]

10 Year bond has been dropping.
Down almost 5% today

Very strange

If the bond rate drops, that means money is flowing into bonds for safety.

If the bond rate goes up, that means PE compression for the growth stocks.

We can't win right now lol

 

[CLK350]

In all the discussion of the possible share price consequences from a investment grade rating all the comments seem to be oriented to mutual funds, mostly indexed ones. The two largest instructional investor classes have never been mentioned AFAIK.

The largest single investor class in public equities is pension funds
The second one is insurance companies
Third comes mutual funds
Various classes of trust companies, banks, etc also are represented in part by the first three, but also are massive investors on their own.
Hedge funds and investment managers sometimes are distinct categories.
Then there is Black Rock, little known but the World’s largest investment manager with >10 trillion dollars managed)


until nowI have referred to Institutional investors, not realizing many of us do not understand. these categories. Many of them adopt a ‘prudent investor’ rule by law or choice that limits investments below ‘investment grade’ by rating agencies.

In TSLA, the interest savings from investment grade is ‘de minimus’ because Tesla has little debt. The real consequence would be to massively open the worldwide institutional investor community to TSLA. If share price rise, lowered volatility and reduced influence of speculators are goals, the higher rating is important.

Probably the quickest way to get to a higher rating is to issue new debt that would, coincidentally, have Tesla pay rating agencies. The APPL approach has worked well, using long and medium term borrowing to reduced FX volatility. Tesla needs that now that Shanghai and Berlin are beginning and both sales and supplies are becoming important sources of FX volatility.

I disagree. No amount of bribes to the financial industry will satisfy them - my opinion is that the financial industry giants are blind to the dangers of global warming, looking only at protecting short term profits - similarly the not scientific random sampling I have done among well-to-do acquaintances and random people I interviewed on the spot is that they are at best dubious of claims of global warming being caused by human behavior. Nothing too surprising there as most people, especially "successful" people delegate responsibilities for most everything to specialists and people they know and trust. So this is the egg and chicken vicious circle.

Let there be no doubt, the US financial industry is in a full blown cold war phase with Tesla, as has been now clearly documented. This is also the reason Elon has chosen his approach, (1) no PR because the media is controlled by the FUD so anything Tesla says will be distorted and never corrected (like the NYTimes hatchet job that was completely debunked by Tesla, as they had the exact details of that writer's driving around the Tesla SC parking area to drain the battery, etc). Also (2) why Elon chose Shanghai China as its first foreign Giga Factory - this is the master move that enabled Tesla to become immune to Wall Street as they now have enough cash to be essentially self funded thanks to the huge Giga Shanghai margins and production.

To emphasize the point, Tesla doesn't need the ratings agencies imprimatur since they don't need to raise capital - the FUD can only depress TSLA's SP but that doesn't hurt Tesla, tho it may hurt TSLA shareholders who trade the stock or its derivatives. Long term it does not matter to Tesla, which is why Elon twitted "Believe in the future" (implying not necessarily the short term, alas for many of us on TMC).

The only sane approach would be for our government (ie we the taxpayers) help out the oil & gas industries employees (not their CEOs or investors, they have enough $ saved, and really ought to be claw back taxed for willful malfeasance/ loss of property, health, lives and despoiling of our environment). Not going to happen as far as I can see, until something drastic happens.

 

[StarFoxisDown!]

Very large buy block there at 11:49.

Didn't help much since the macro's are in the process of rolling over yet again but that was a noticeable block there

 

[M|S|M MYP]

Order filled - 68 @ $962....im tired of hearing my wife call me dumb for continuing to buy and the SP keeps going down!!

 

[hoang51]

The problem is that wage growth is now well below inflation, and the economy is inevitably going to stall if the purchasing power of its workers is declining. Stagflation.

The fed printed too much money, and lockdowns made the supply/inflation problem even worse. Now the fed is looking at a large market drop or stagflation.

Stagflation comprises high unemployment. Do you know something about high unemployment that we don't know about?

 

[EVDRVN]

Order filled - 68 @ $962....im tired of hearing my wife call me dumb for continuing to buy and the SP keeps going down!!

Hopefully you won't now.

 

[FireMedic]

Order filled - 68 @ $962....im tired of hearing my wife call me dumb for continuing to buy and the SP keeps going down!!

Not 69…wtf? You’ll regret it. Jk.
Jealous, I could only afford 10 at $559. I’m small fries.

*edit* 959. Can’t remember what I was doing at $559 but I’m pretty sure it was buying and hodl’ing

 

[FS_FRA]

Bought more chairs @ $999, $990, $970 this week. One more order in for $960 (missed the $951 bottom).

These purchases then fill up an odd-lot to the next 100.

$960 filled.

Now what ?

 

[aGreenGuy]

My analysis of today’s graph: the TSLA-monster has got it’s left hand up from the abyss and is about to start climbing

 

[Phobi]

$960 filled.

Now what ?

Strap in and enjoy the ride. I’d reserve a seat cause we’ll be playing musical chairs with steam rollers next week

 

[Paul_SF]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1484579394697977861

Accurate

 

[BitJam]

Despite all the FUD, the public perception of FSD Beta is extremely positive.

Customers Love FSD Beta!​

Perhaps a little OT but reactions like this from the general public provide valuable information about how the FSD FUD wars will work out. Also, I think we should give this CYBRLFT dude some love. He is probably far and away the top beta tester having put in many thousands of miles.

 

[WADan]

$960 filled.

Now what ?

I put in a limit order last night before going to sleep at $945. I just might hit it later today, please don‘t shoot me!
A year from now, nobody will remember last few weeks gyrations.

 

[JRP3]

Jealous, I could only afford 10 at $559.

I'd like some of those.

 

[Big Time]

Really cant tell which way its going to go. Fingers crossed

 

[TheTalkingMule]

Converted shares to LEAPs on this most recent dip.

Jan 2023 $550 (thanks @Knightshade)
Jan 2023 $900
Mar 18th $1000

Gonna see what kind of YOLOs I can get next week and a bit more for March 18 expiration. Exciting times!

Please don't nut punch me next week hedgies!

 

[SOULPEDL]

Despite all the FUD, the public perception of FSD Beta is extremely positive.

Customers Love FSD Beta!​

Perhaps a little OT but reactions like this from the general public provide valuable information about how the FSD FUD wars will work out. Also, I think we should give this CYBRLFT dude some love. He is probably far and away the top beta tester having put in many thousands of miles.

Makes me want to do Uber now. I do let people know and ask them if they want a demo ride, but many are still afraid (obviously, it's an unknown). I think driver confidence goes a long way and is a great way to introduce FSD. Just engage, then after a few blocks say "Oh, by the way, I'm not driving this car..." I bet that works bc it's actually not robotic-like and often hard to tell who's driving. And that's likely an easier pill to swallow. Just keep them saying "No way!!!"