Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[StarFoxisDown!]

I don't know if TSLA will take the mantel from FAANG (this year!) but they certainly will be joining them up there on that mantel.

Yee of little faith

Wall St still doesn't believe in both Tesla's growth and their earnings power despite having plenty of clues as to where it's going. They need to smacked across the face with growth and earnings on such a massive scale that it's impossible to ignore and Q3/Q4 2022 will provide that.

And that doesn't even account of if Tesla reaches wide release of FSD this year which would be the mother all of slaps

 

[Matias]

Wouldn't this be a good time to get back in to those two names?

I know that my opinion is not popular, but I think there’s high probability, that this is just the beginning. Of course i’m not sure. If I were, I would be 100% cash. Now I’m only 50%.

Problem with U.S. stocks is, that all the other valuation models excepted interest rate model say that S&P 500 is overvalued. If (when) interests rise, there’s no support for current valuation.

 

[MTL_HABS1909]

Or, and I'm just spitballing here, that was already baked into the $1trn+ price.

Most, if not all downward pressure right now, is macro. Plus TSLA is slowly moving from speculative to growth/value. Nothing will happen on earnings day that will make people think "OMG, $1200 was a bargain".

But you can stick to "consipiracies... conspiracies everywhere" if you'd rather not get to grips with basic economics.

You must be correct. Just a coincidence that they’ve stopped JUST shy of -10% several times today….

No manipulation folks. You heard it here first!

 

[tivoboy]

this sell off is not about p/e,
its about liquidation and margin calls
and fear and get me out at all costs.

jpm has a p/e of 9 and it too is getting hit.

Banks are off because this type of mkt movement makes ppl think the fed would pause on either withdrawal of MBS purchases or rate hike.. i don’t see either of those things stopping. . BUT, I will say any talk of a .50 bps hike FIRST is most likely a non starter now.. I think we’re still looking at a .25 BPS hike POSSIBLY by March, barring a full ground war/conflict/dont’ call it an incursion in Ukraine by that time.

 

[StarFoxisDown!]

I know that my opinion is not popular, but I think there’s high probability, that this is just the beginning. Of course i’m not sure. If I were, I would be 100% cash. Now I’m only 50%.

Problem with U.S. stocks is, that all the other valuation models excepted interest rate model say that S&P 500 is overvalued. If (when) interests rise, there’s no support for current valuation.

Except for ya know the very basic of valuation which is the P/E of the S&P. Which after today drop combined with earnings this week and next will drop it clearly in the cheap range. In fact very cheap.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1485645530613100549

S&P 500 PE Ratio - Multpl

S&P 500 PE Ratio chart, historic, and current data. Current S&P 500 PE Ratio is 27.94, a change of -0.35 from previous market close.

www.multpl.com

Want to say some other things that aren't supported by facts and data?

 

[ZachF]

Hoooh boy…

 

[Accident]

I’ve decided to wait and see if we hit the circuit breaker before using margin to buy more. I have a feeling they’re keeping it just slightly above that level to ensure that they can continue to manipulate it lower before earnings.

Edit: Just want to point out that they just did it AGAIN. We stopped just shy of -10%.

A stock needs to drop 10% in a few minutes to get halted. Lots of stocks are down today more than 10% without being halted.

The SP500 needs to drop 7% for a market wide circuit breaker. It's down 3.5% at the moment.

 

[Cherry Wine]

this sell off is not about p/e,
its about liquidation and margin calls
and fear and get me out at all costs.

jpm has a p/e of 9 and it too is getting hit.

We're getting there.

 

[Matias]

Except for ya know the very basic of valuation which is the P/E of the S&P. Which after today drop combined with earnings this week and next will drop it clearly in the cheap range. In fact very cheap.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1485645530613100549

S&P 500 PE Ratio - Multpl

S&P 500 PE Ratio chart, historic, and current data. Current S&P 500 PE Ratio is 27.94, a change of -0.35 from previous market close.

www.multpl.com

Want to say some other things that aren't supported by facts and data?

Thank you for information. Gary Black is saying the same as I said, which is, if we correct stock valuation with interest rates, they’re not overvalued. If (when) interests rise, situation changes.

I was referring to these

Data Driven US Stock Market Valuation and Analysis

Simple, fundamental valuation indicators to model the current valuation of the US stock market.

www.currentmarketvaluation.com

 

[TheTalkingMule]

A stock needs to drop 10% in a few minutes to get halted. Lots of stocks are down today more than 10% without being halted.

The SP500 needs to drop 7% for a market wide circuit breaker. It's down 3.5% at the moment.

They're referencing a potential uptick rule trigger, not a halt to trading.

If we dip too low today, MM's can't short tomorrow. I believe.

 

[Singuy]

Interesting. So meet Kevin sold off everything and went short. Jeremy speculates today's heavy selling on youtube stocks may have something to do with people following Kevin on fear.

 

[SN_8]

Pure speculation, but Koguan Leo's tone and frequency of tweets over the last 12 hours has me concerned that his use of margin has become or is dangerously close to becoming a problem for him.

 

[MXWing]

They're referencing a potential uptick rule trigger, not a halt to trading.

If we dip too low today, MM's can't short tomorrow. I believe.

They can always short upticks.

 

[StarFoxisDown!]

Interesting. So meet Kevin sold off everything and went short. Jeremy speculates today's heavy selling on youtube stocks may have something to do with people following Kevin on fear.

Haha if you actually follow that dude, he bleeds money. In fact, that's the bottom right now

 

[ZachF]

They're referencing a potential uptick rule trigger, not a halt to trading.

If we dip too low today, MM's can't short tomorrow. I believe.

…which is why MMs will keep it above -9.9% today

 

[FS_FRA]

I’ve decided to wait and see if we hit the circuit breaker before using margin to buy more. I have a feeling they’re keeping it just slightly above that level to ensure that they can continue to manipulate it lower before earnings.

Edit: Just want to point out that they just did it AGAIN. We stopped just shy of -10%.

Unreal manipulation underway. 2x in a.m. session they let it drift to within cents of the -10% uptick-rule.

 

[MTL_HABS1909]

They're referencing a potential uptick rule trigger, not a halt to trading.

If we dip too low today, MM's can't short tomorrow. I believe.

Yes sorry. Doing too many things. I meant to say uptick rule. Thanks.

 

[Boomer19]

Pure speculation, but Koguan Leo's tone and frequency of tweets over the last 12 hours has me concerned that his use of margin has become or is dangerously close to becoming a problem for him.

ya think?

 

[Singuy]

Haha if you actually follow that dude, he bleeds money. In fact, that's the bottom right now

That dude has a mass following mostly due to his position on Tesla. He went from a few mil to 20 mil pretty much in real time on youtube over the last couple of years. Don't underestimate the affect he has on his followers. I agree with Jeremy that Kevin definitely contributed more to the hysteria today.

 

[Mengy]

Interesting. So meet Kevin sold off everything and went short. Jeremy speculates today's heavy selling on youtube stocks may have something to do with people following Kevin on fear.

Heh, I don't think Meet Kevin has enough influence to impact the entire stock market like this!