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Claims the berlin water supplier lost their case, which supplier has previously said would cause them to terminate their water supply contract with tesla.


Take with appropriate mistranslated grains of salt of course.
Exactly the same as is known with a clickbaity headline.

The permit was illegal due to there being no (or not enough) public participation. That has to be done again and MAY jeopardize the permit. But if the do the public hearings as required than the permit still stands.

It is not "no water for anyone", but "due process was violated and has to be redone". Normally a nothingburger in Germany - unless there are new facts that were not presented beforehand in 2020.

But it is Tesla and makes good headlines.

And remember: The contract was only with one municipal provider. Tesla is free to contact a neighboring municipality, lay a pipe and get it from there (with a bit of the usual german permit-hell of course ;) ).
 
Back with my P/E analysis but considering macro's are teetering on taking another leg down, I find it interesting to compare the dynamics.

If the macro's don't hold the low from two weeks ago, then we're headed for another leg down. When I do some technical analysis, I can see the Nasdaq headed down to the 11,750 level. The S&P down to the 3800 level. So about 10% drop in store for the macros.

For TSLA specifically, we're about to see some of the most rapid P/E compression I've seen. Even Troy, while I think his Q1 is low by about 10-15k, is estimating Q2 to be 382k deliveries. If TSLA were to overperform that macro drop and say drop 10% instead of 2-3X the macro drop, we're talking about it's TTM P/E going from 168 today to low 70's. If Tesla uses the tax allowance in Q1 or Q2, then it goes down to the mid 60's.

Keep in mind these are TTM P/E's. Forward P/E's would in be in mid 30's to low 40's.

From there, Tesla is set for massive Q3 and Q4.........
 
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* checks latest quotes *

Apple is down 1.5%
Tesla is down 2.3%
Microsoft is down 2.5%
Google is down 3.2%
Ford is down 4.1%
Amazon is down 5%
GM is down 5%
Rivian down 5.6%

all things considered, TSLA is holding up better than others
The last 30-60 mins have not been encouraging...............TSLA weakening very quickly. Now down more than macro's. At the rate it's going, it's going to end up down 2X the marcros.
 
Exactly the same as is known with a clickbaity headline.

The permit was illegal due to there being no (or not enough) public participation. That has to be done again and MAY jeopardize the permit. But if the do the public hearings as required than the permit still stands.

It is not "no water for anyone", but "due process was violated and has to be redone". Normally a nothingburger in Germany - unless there are new facts that were not presented beforehand in 2020.

But it is Tesla and makes good headlines.

And remember: The contract was only with one municipal provider. Tesla is free to contact a neighboring municipality, lay a pipe and get it from there (with a bit of the usual german permit-hell of course ;) ).

As I understand it, the public was only given 28 days to comment, not 30. I know common sense is so last century, but this takes it to a whole new level. You have to redo EVERYHTING vs. just allow people to comment for a few days...
 
Intel has done pretty well with Mobile eye. I think they paid 15, they'll get it all back and then have some retained equity and further appreciation.
His reply is somewhat at odds with what the source he provided says, which is:





I'm not sure how you read that as anything but they don't get to pump any extra water until this is resolved.

But Alex seems to have read it as "they CAN pump all the extra water until this is resolved"


Again could be a lost in translation thing.
They have already contracted for gigafactory so pumping extra is not required (I think). It could concievably come up for expansion but even then this is much to do about nothing. Water is cheap, even paying to shut down a competing water user is cheap.
 
As I understand it, the public was only given 28 days to comment, not 30. I know common sense is so last century, but this takes it to a whole new level. You have to redo EVERYHTING vs. just allow people to comment for a few days...
And how does that happen? The requirement is established and known in advance. Someone ran out of fingers and toes when setting the date? And why wasn't the end date noted to be short of requirements by the applicants?
 
The last 30-60 mins have not been encouraging...............TSLA weakening very quickly. Now down more than macro's. At the rate it's going, it's going to end up down 2X the marcros.
Very frustrating considering TSLA stands to profit nicely from high gas prices with even more demand. Amazing that some people can't figure that out....
 
And how does that happen? The requirement is established and known in advance. Someone ran out of fingers and toes when setting the date? And why wasn't the end date noted to be short of requirements by the applicants?
It might have been something as stupid as differing definitions of 30 days - does it include only working days, or also weekends/how are public holidays intrepeted? Do they define say from 2nd Dec to 3rd Dec as one or two days? Does it matter if the announcement on the first day was before 9AM - if not would it count as only half a day? The rules themselves were probably not clear, and people were likely previously always interpreting it one way with no problem, but then the (as it turns out almost for sure VW and/or Russian sponsored) green agenda activists argued that the rules could be interpreted in such a manner that 30 is really 28. Just speculation, but wouldn't be surprised if something like this is what happened.
 
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WaPo article not written by Faiz Siddiqui so I clicked and read it.


No mention of Tesla in the article about the Biden administration's efforts to reduce heavy truck pollution (though I think that's a truck carrying a load of Teslas in the main photograph!)


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Yeah, this "snippet" from the show 4 days ago is 34 minutes long. But its freely available to the public, from the producers of the show.


There's lots of extended content there besides "snippets", if you'd bother to read the link. :p

Snippy about snippets?

The YT link is a teaser to gets subs to Apple, so yes, if you want to see the content, you gots to pay.
For example, it seems the 50 Min video with SEC chair gets down to 6 min on YT.
 
Very frustrating considering TSLA stands to profit nicely from high gas prices with even more demand. Amazing that some people can't figure that out....
Disappointed but not surprised. TSLA's TTM P/E is going to be used it against it in this environment until it's brought down, whether by stock price decline or Tesla rapidly increasing earnings.

It's why I keep bringing up TTM P/E and Forward P/E so much. Those things don't matter to TSLA long term, pretty much beyond this year......but for the next 6 months, that's the dynamic at play.

It would be nice if the market in general recognized that the current economic dynamics add demand for Tesla and that Tesla's earnings are not at risk for this year. But that's asking a lot from an irrational market.
 
Snippy about snippets?

The YT link is a teaser to gets subs to Apple, so yes, if you want to see the content, you gots to pay.
For example, it seems the 50 Min video with SEC chair gets down to 6 min on YT.

The whole episode is 50min, haven’t watched the YT snippet with Gensler, but probably that’s all the time in the episode with him anyway.

I had hopes for Gensler to actually be able to do something, but it seems he’s just another guy that will pretend to do something while covering for his WS criminals. Unfortunately. I hope I’m wrong.
 
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When @Paul_SF posted recently about the Jon Stewart discussion that centered on GameStop, Pay for Order Flow and RobinHood I did not initially comment. Having watched the episode more than once I agree that it is essential viewing for those of us who deal in any derivative and/or deal with RobinHood specifically, or, frankly any broker at all. The changes made during the Madoff era and since have all encouraged activities which should be regarded as fraudulent in the US and are in fact fraudulent in most major countries.

It is transparently obvious that the US financial system deregulation that has been developing since the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999 has produced the 2008 'sub-prime' crisis and since then has introduced more and more systemic risk. The details are not for this thread.

These do prove, absolutely, that dealing in derivatives or margin in the US securities markets is not equivalent to casino gambling, because, as Stewart helpfully tells us, casinos in the US are regulated.
TSLA is not equal to GameStop, mostly because of broad ownership, but we also have copies (Mod: after a bit of head-scratching, I believe "copious" is meant) proof that the market in TSLA is subject to wild manipulation by market makers and others. It is simply impossible to consistently succeed in a game designed to defraud investors, even though the term "defraud" is not necessarily legally applicable because, after all, those people wrote the rules.

I (doubt? am astonished that?) anybody can continue to have confidence in their own skill to beat the system when Bernie Madoff wrote a couple of the crucial rules...

if the stewart segment interested you, then maybe you’d be interested to watch (at least part 2) the “gaming wall street” documentary, and peruse the articles, i linked in my post a couple days ago.

follow up on my post about the documentary

sorry if a bit off topic, but it’s weekend, and how much of our TSLA money was basically stolen, withheld, delayed over the years due to these elitist petulant criminals?

@Artful Dodger @Papafox


part 2 had some articles referenced on screen. some were easy to find and others not. plus a bonus one i found by liz moyer, which was very good.


bob drummond bloomberg markets article
drummond article


john welborn phantom shares menace

liz moyer forbes, naked and confused

what id love to track down is the anonymous 300 page dossier on rampant short selling liz moyer referenced in her article. it was a long time ago, but may as well put it out there. i wonder if she ever saw it, or was just told about it.

ill say this
there’s still some stuff that’s inaccurate or maybe not portrayed correctly. and not every broker engages in PFOF. regular retail
brokerage is not the same as Prime brokerage, as goes for “liquidity providers” (the artists formerly known as market makers and HFTs). and at times i’ve contested some comments made here.

that said, it’s clear there’s manipulation. it’s clear the odds are against the retail guy. it’s clear there’s bad actors taking advantage of the loopholes big boys made for themselves. SEC and FINRA are toothless, whether by design, under-resourced, or ineptness. they make a few AML cases per year and occasionally make a splash with insider trading but mostly ignore the elephant(s) in the room.
 
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Probably just politics to gain green support.
physicists understand the risk with nuclear,
East Germans from her era understand the mentality of the USSR
Merkel's decision, as I recall, was in the wake of the Fukushima disaster. Which occurred just about as we were collectively relegating the Chernobyl disaster to ancient "it could never happen again because we've learned so much" history. And really only just before "we hope Russian troops don't cause a meltdown at this reactor or damage the spent fuel containment pools as they invade Ukraine today" history-in-the-making.
I agree with what I interpret as Elon's stance: run the current nuclear reactors as long as possible. Their environmental and construction costs are largely - but not entirely - paid already and they produce a LOT of power.
I also agree with what I think is the rest of his stance, unsaid: shut them down and stop adding to the nuclear waste problem as quickly we get their output substituted by solar (Tesla), wind (other folks), and backstopped by battery (Tesla).
As a species globally, we have shown an inability to manage nuclear power as well as it must be managed over a period of decades to avoid global issues. We've done great percentage wise - many hundreds of reactor-years of use with no problems! [I've worked as an instrument communications consultant in a nuclear plant and understand the tech is reliable] Unfortunately, each _local_ reactor failure - human induced (which we've seen) or nature induced (which we've also seen) - is a regional problem at best and a global problem at worst. This is one of those endeavors where 99.9% good is not good enough over the long haul.
Electrify and decentralize, start recycling streams for the toxics, and we are way ahead of where nuclear could get us in terms of resilience and sustainability.
I am pretty sure Tesla is on board with this vision. As is Redwood and other upcoming players in this space.
Stay the course and HODL folks.
 
The whole episode is 50min, haven’t watched the YT snippet with Gensler, but probably that’s all the time in the episode with him anyway.

I had hopes for Gensler to actually be able to do something, but it seems he’s just another guy that will pretend to do something while covering for his WS criminals. Unfortunately. I hope I’m wrong.

nope, he’s a double-talking political jive like the rest of them.
 
Why the F is TSLA down like 3% today.
C'mon, the market is getting destroyed, everyone thinks we are about to be vaporized in a nuclear blast (first order of business, liquidate my portfolio so I can access the cash after Armageddon!), the FED is going to raise interest rates to 20% and put out a special memo targeting high P/E stocks signed off on by Congress and every single fossil company in the world and you want to know why TSLA is down 3.5% today.

sigh.
 
C'mon, the market is getting destroyed, everyone thinks we are about to be vaporized in a nuclear blast (first order of business, liquidate my portfolio so I can access the cash after Armageddon!), the FED is going to raise interest rates to 20% and put out a special memo targeting high P/E stocks signed off on by Congress and every single fossil company in the world and you want to know why TSLA is down 3.5% today.

sigh.
Seriously.....Nasdaq and S&P were at these levels two weeks ago. And what was TSLA at? $695/share. So......it's disappointing to see TSLA get weaker throughout the trading day after it held up for much of the day but some perspective is needed. It's still a decent day. TSLA would normally be down 2.5-3X the macros.