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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Joe F
Disruption is hard.
Amazon ($AMZN) just announced a 20 for 1 stock split.
Tesla next?
Tesla next?
I'm sure I'm get flack here haha but Tesla could do the same and it would be in a stronger financial position than Amazon after the 10 billion is spent over the course of the year.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Only one quarter of the world's nickle sales go through commodities exchanges. Even then, rampant speculation lead the London Metal Exchange to halt trading of nickle futures, and further took the extreme step of retroactively canceling contracts made during the runup:
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LME forced to halt nickel trading, cancel deals, after prices top $100,000
The London Metal Exchange (LME) was forced to halt nickel trading and cancel trades after prices doubled on Tuesday to more than $100,000 per tonne in a surge sources blamed on short covering by one of the world's top producers.
www.reuters.com
Tesla of course has long-term nickle contracts with mining partners in at least 3 different regions. It's another case of shortzes probing Tesla for weaknesses, and instead stubbing their d|(kz.
Cheers!
. That may be the coolest infographic I’ve ever seen.
BrownOuttaSpec
Active Member
Might want to add the source link since there is a lot of other cool info in the article as well: A Decade of Elon Musk’s Tweets, Visualized
Update your post and I will delete mine so we can keep this thread a little cleaned up.
MartinAustin
Active Member
CNBC's two-faced-ness over the AMZN stock split is disgusting.
They are talking with glowing affection for the AMZN stock split, and even described the TSLA stock split as a good move, with hindsight.
As we recall, at the time of the TSLA stock split, they were indignant and constantly pointing out that it adds nothing to the value of the company. [which is technically correct] Brought people like Tim Higgins on to talk about the stock split.
Today, they are refraining from all that negativity with AMZN. Examples
"this will help retail investors"
"goodness me, they added $90 billion in market cap in 10 minutes."
"I wish they had done this months ago"
"is this now a candidate for DOW inclusion?"
They are talking with glowing affection for the AMZN stock split, and even described the TSLA stock split as a good move, with hindsight.
As we recall, at the time of the TSLA stock split, they were indignant and constantly pointing out that it adds nothing to the value of the company. [which is technically correct] Brought people like Tim Higgins on to talk about the stock split.
Today, they are refraining from all that negativity with AMZN. Examples
"this will help retail investors"
"goodness me, they added $90 billion in market cap in 10 minutes."
"I wish they had done this months ago"
"is this now a candidate for DOW inclusion?"
I specifically remember Gordo saying the exact words "A stock split does nothing for a company.......essentially you are taking 4 slices of pizza and making it 8......"
Big stock price increase happened to google stock when it announced its split as well. It quickly faded back to where it was in the ensuing days (and this was before Ukraine). The only impact on investors of a stock split is really it makes it easier for people to play options contracts (for better or worse). Wouldn't be surprised to see the total dollar volume of option contracts on both amazon & google increase substantially post stock splits.
I think equating Tesla stock split to the rise in share price does a disservice to Tesla. The reason the stock price increased dramatically since 2020 is because it is performing fantastically and it wasn't until then that a lot more market participants started realising it - the stock split just happened to happen in the middle of that positive surge.
I think it's incorrect to not include the dynamics of naked shorting and the impacts of Tesla's stock split around that.
Tesla's stock split confirmed what a lot of us thought was going on......in that there was a ton of naked shorting going on and not just recent/short term naked shorting. I'm talking naked shorting over months/years.
Would a stock split have the same impact today as it did 2 years ago? No. But I think if you think there's not still long term naked shorting going on with TSLA, you're being naive
woodisgood
Optimustic Pessimist
Forget Gordo, many here were saying the same thing. Good times…
MartinAustin
Active Member
The comments about Porsche, VW and others who are grinding production to a halt due to the Ukraine issue, just make me consider Tesla's market share for 2022 (of the overall auto market). In 2023 we will be even more shocked at how much Tesla has grown, as they are not reducing production, they're increasing production all the while. It's gonna be a big shock to the industry. The other guys shrank, Tesla grew.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Elon Musk on Twitter: "@SpaceXAmerican Broomstick
USA! USA!
Elon has added 1.2M followers on Twitter in the past 6 days (now at 76.2M). That's the thing about having a Rock Star CEO. The free PR is amazing!
Cheers!
"Time to let the American broomstick fly, and hear the sound of freedom. LD is go for launch."
Falcon 9 - American broomstick | SpaceX on Youtube (11:02)
USA! USA!
Cheers to the
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Of course they're up! Now they won't be losing money on every EV they don't build. /S
Oh, you can bet that European Automakers will use this crisis as an excuse why they can't build EVs, and therefore the carbon pricing scheme should be suspended for the duration.
That's why the Big 3 German automakers are up ~10% today.
Cherries!
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
FINRA reported today the lowest proportion of TSLA short-selling since 2022-01-24 (two days before Q4 Earnings).
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
U.S. Economic Calendar - MarketWatch
U.S. economic calendar consensus forecasts from MarketWatch.
www.marketwatch.com
| THURSDAY, MARCH 10 | ||
| 8:30 am | Initial jobless claims | |
| 8:30 am | Continuing jobless claims | |
| 8:30 am | Consumer price index | |
| 8:30 am | Core CPI | |
| 8:30 am | CPI (year-over-year | |
| 8:30 am | Core CPI (year-over-year) |
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Well, no, we can't. That's because we don't know the extent to which Market Makers have hedged their positions at any strike price, or at what level of loss they are willing to step in. It's further made difficult because we don't have realtime data for Open Interest (always at least 1 day stale), and we NEVER get final Open Interest data for the actual day of contract expiry (can't model w/o data).
Then, even if you could, MMs are only 1 of at least 6 different groups playing tug-of-war with the SP.
TL;dr. No we can't settle this debate, and the rules are written by the owners of this casino.
HODL.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
This is BAU for the financial press and analyst cabal. They keep estimates low on purpose during the quarter to provide better entry prices for the customers, then jack up those estimate in the last 3 days before earnings. Buy the rumor, sell the news. Rince, repeat. It's how they roll.
Unless you're Gordo and you have $TSLA EPS at $3.00/share
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