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A new video from Tesla Gigafactory Shanghai showing off the Body In White part of the factory. Via Jason Yang:

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I love the 3-Dimensionality of the assembly lines. At 0:23 a robot even sticks an assembly up through the ceiling onto an overpassing car. How fast could this be sped up I wonder? 3X? 5x? 10x?

"Vertical integration" perhaps??? (/s)

Edit- I see I missed that @Ogre beat me to it long ago...
 
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That's not correct.
SpaceX already sells a much higher bandwidth solution for only $500 per month: (ideal for cellular networks)


Not remotely, no.

Even 4G towers typically have at least 2-4x that amount of backhaul, up to 20x in busy areas.

Let alone 5G speeds.




That's quite an uplift in price for the claimed speed increase. I just ran a couple of speed tests on my 'regular' Starlink and got 273Mbps down, 17Mbps up and 26ms ping. It does vary of course, but those are pretty solid numbers and have improved recently here with more of the sky being opened up to dishy, presumably because of some sort of firmware or constellation update.

I've been waiting for decent broadband in my area for over 30 years and ironically a few months after Starlink arrived, a new provider turns up in our town and puts FTTP everywhere, so I can now get 900Mbps up and down for £59/month or 2000Mbps for £99/month.

I do find it a bit suspicious that after so many promises of high speed broadband in many under-served areas of the UK, along comes Starlink and suddenly Openreach and other providers magically find the money to put FTTC/FTTP in. I like to think Starlink was the catalyst. Hopefully I'll be able to donate my dishy to someone more deserving. Some ex-UK dishies have made their way to Ukraine...


At $250/mo we'd have already signed up for that more expensive starlink just because it said it moves you to the front of the line.

We've been waiting for our SL order (not reservation, actual order with cash deposit) for over a year now. But $500/mo is just a bit much for just home internet, no matter how much ahead my TSLA is.

I'm glad it's driving competition where you are, but nobody in the US at least appears to be in any rush to "compete" with them in underserved areas... it just doesn't make economic sense to run physical high speed lines to the spread-out low pop density rural areas in lots of the US, so something like starlink is it for a solution for high speed....
 
The WSJ published an article regarding Musk's ties to China. I'm not sure what to make of the risk to investors in Musk having two companies with very different market footprints and dealing with technology transfer. My sense is that this thread discounts the risk a bit too much, but your mileage may vary.

Most of the article seems to be stocked with some not-very-strong talking points from SpaceX's competitors, but the article does have a few people going on the record in support, including the House Minority Leader. For sure, yesterday's Washington Post article about 5,000 Starlink terminals in Ukraine didn't hurt Musk's bona fides. And Musk's bipartisanship does sometimes pay dividends in unexpected ways.

Elon Musk’s ties to China are causing unease in Washington, including among some Republican lawmakers who have been among the billionaire entrepreneur’s ardent supporters.

The concerns center on the potential for China to gain access to the classified information possessed by Mr. Musk’s closely held Space Exploration Technologies Corp., including through SpaceX’s foreign suppliers that might have ties to Beijing.

 
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After the chips-problem there is a big new problem for European brands.
Tl;dr:
The electric cable-harnesses of half the European auto-industry are being produced near Lviv in the Ukraine.
BMW (owner of Mini) and Volkswagen (Skoda, Audi, Porsche, etc.), are being forced to slow down or stop their production.

This shows again the enormous strength of Tesla's vertical integration versus the 'old auto method'.

The article in the NRC newspaper, translated from Dutch:
Anyone who has ordered a Mini had a chance of bad news in recent days. The waiting time for a new car has risen to three months. This time, the delay was not due to the chip shortage that has plagued the auto industry for months. The cause lies in the town of Stryi, just south of Lviv, Ukraine. There is a factory where mostly women work with wires, cables and scissors. They make electrical cabling for cars. But the war has completely disrupted production – and with it half of the European car industry.

As a result, the sector is already entering another crisis, which once again demonstrates the high vulnerability of long and complex supply chains. Cars often contain kilometers of electrical cables for automatically opening the trunk to the lights on the dashboard. A so-called harness keeps those cables together, and this cheap part comes mainly from a handful of factories in western Ukraine.

BMW and Volkswagen
Production at many of these factories is now severely disrupted, as are connections to Western Europe. Unlike some chips, cables cannot be installed after a car is built. Many manufacturers, including BMW (owner of Mini) and Volkswagen (including Skoda, Audi, Porsche), have therefore been forced to reduce or shut down their production. VDL Nedcar, the car factory of VDL that builds Minis for BMW in Born in Limburg, will also be shut down until the end of March.

The difficulties surrounding the Ukrainian factories have replaced the chip crisis as the biggest problem, Volkswagen CEO Herbert Diess said on Tuesday. "The question is whether our forecasts for the future are still correct." BMW lowered its profit margin forecast on Wednesday.

Dependence on Western Ukraine arose in recent decades. After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the region proved to be a favorite as a production location for many cable companies. The best known is the German Leoni, which has two factories, employing more than 7,000 people. The Japanese Fujikura also has a factory there.

Complex handicrafts
Western Ukraine is relatively close to many European car factories. Normally, a truck drives to the Volkswagen factories in Germany in a few days. Another advantage of Ukraine: the wage costs are relatively low, and the work fits in well with the technical training of a substantial part of the Ukrainians. Merging cables in a sheath is not as easy as it seems at first glance. It is quite complex manual work, requiring many types of tools and many electronic tests. The Financial Times wrote this week that especially women work in the factories, because their often smaller hands and finer motor skills are better suited for this precision work.

The current situation at Leoni's factories is not clear. However, the firm warned investors that revenue and profit will be lower than previously reported. Before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Leoni had expressed a turnover forecast for the country of 300 million euros.

With the 'cable crisis', automakers are now confronted with the vulnerability in their supply chain for the third time in a short time. During the first corona wave and the chip crisis after it, it became clear how quickly a disruption of that chain can stop assembly.

The major car manufacturers are now diligently looking for alternatives. Volkswagen is said to have put a team of as many as 150 people on the issue. They are looking, among other things, at other locations in or near Europe where cable sheaths are produced. Such factories are also located in North Africa. Moving machines and personnel from Ukraine to neighboring countries such as Romania is another option, according to the Financial Times. Yet they do not seem completely convinced at Volkswagen that the problem will be solved quickly. CEO Diess said his group should consider European production if the war in Ukraine continues. “We definitely need to think about additional investment in the US and other continents.”
Single point of failure.

Decades of outsourcing pieces and passing of responsibility for entire subsystems of their production.

My big question is: If they can’t make cars, can Tesla have the chips they don’t need now?

Toyota is also cutting back production. Crazy timing.
 
Single point of failure.

Decades of outsourcing pieces and passing of responsibility for entire subsystems of their production.
We don't know what parts if any Tesla sourced from Ukrainian suppliers for the Brandenburg plant or how long re-sourcing might take. This might be a non-issue for Tesla, but we don't know.

And there are potential Russian suppliers. There was a report about Tesla sourcing aluminum from Russia. Potentially there is more. And maybe there isn't.
 
We don't know what parts if any Tesla sourced from Ukrainian suppliers for the Brandenburg plant or how long re-sourcing might take. This might be a non-issue for Tesla, but we don't know.

And there are potential Russian suppliers. There was a report about Tesla sourcing aluminum from Russia. Potentially there is more. And maybe there isn't.
Could be.

I look at the difference between the way Tesla and the rest of the industry handled the chip shortage and handle other supply chain issues with batteries (sourcing from 3-4 battery companies and in-house), and I’m skeptical Tesla has a whole lot of systems which are single sourced.

Could be wrong here, but Tesla has proven pretty resilient to this sort of supply chain disruption. Not immune, but they’ve managed it.
 
I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed. I just want to hold my TSLA. OK, eventually I'll sell some of it, oh and I occasionally buy more, but TSLA isn't really processed is it? I definitely don't intend to process or repair TSLA.
 
and I’m skeptical Tesla has a whole lot of systems which are single sourced.
What is your reasoning behind this skepticism?

For me it is exactly the opposite, due to the fact that it is quite easy to handle supply chain and multiple sources if engineering doesn't push back. It is a very nice dream of supply chain managers to have an engineering team that is so talented that they can say 'yes' when supply chain wants multiple sources. And the reason engineering can say yes is that they are sooooo good. It takes a lot of engineering resources to make this possible, but in the long run it is effort well spent.

And the resources I'm talking about from engineering are architects, embedded, OS and drivers. It takes a village!
 
Model 3 and Model Y were the top 2 plug in vehicles sold in Germany in February. These Model Y were all Shanghai-built of course. I can't wait to see the German built Model Y take over the number one spot in Germany and likely so many other European countries. Ready, set, go!

 
Model 3 and Model Y were the top 2 plug in vehicles sold in Germany in February. These Model Y were all Shanghai-built of course. I can't wait to see the German built Model Y take over the number one spot in Germany and likely so many other European countries. Ready, set, go!


Once Giga Berlin model Y deliveries begin in EU is there going to be a price reduction?
If Model Y has no tariffs and taxes, how would it's price compare to Model 3 which will have tariffs/taxes?
 
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