MountainRatMat
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So where do they park their cars then?
Power is everywhere, surely there would be a way to get it to the location they are parked in
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Power is everywhere, surely there would be a way to get it to the location they are parked in
ZenRockGarden
Active Member
Yeah, and then he mumbles that he tends to mostly stay in "friends" houses.
If we all had billionaire friends who would just randomly let us stay in one or another of their fleet of mansions, yeah, we could also all claim to have given up owning big houses.
For anyone who’s afraid to look, TSLA is flat as a pancake after hours.
If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. This could be that first important step.
Or it could just be wishful thinking
If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. This could be that first important step.
Or it could just be wishful thinking
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Tesla should buy TSLA with BTC.
I mean they are still down 40+% the last 3 months and 55+% over the last year.... Tesla has been hammered, but not nearly that bad. There is always bargain hunting going on.
thesmokingman
Active Member
Ugh, not to be a pill here, but we end up at the same place with all of these tangential arguments: poorly informed.
Here's a classic example from the WashPost--not one mention of where all that water is going, such as raising grain for cows, cows we later murder for their flesh:
While not to be too off topic (I should be looking up how many married puts I need to buy to avoid a forced sell off some of my TSLA shares tomorrow), do please watch this short trailer to understand that if we're serious about the root cause, and why Tesla exists, then we have to stop eating animals:
COWSPIRACY: The Sustainability Secret
As eye-opening as "Blackfish" and as inspiring as "An Inconvenient Truth". A new cut from executive producer Leonardo DiCaprio now exclusively streaming on Netflix.
www.cowspiracy.com
And, if you want the sources (as you should) then take a look here:
Back on topic: Does anyone here have any personal experience with TD Ameritrade on margin calls, and choices to NOT have to sell shares? (I'm looking at buying some collars: long calls to pay for short-term puts--ANYTHING to avoid having to sell precious TSLA shares.)
Futures are also flat- slightly skewed to the up side
If you haven't had enough heartburn lately, here's a well-known (albeit anonymous) legal analyst (likely attorney) speculating that -- should he choose to walk from the TWTR deal -- Elon Musk could end up in court in Delaware with a forced $44B Twitter acquisition on the line, based on Delaware legal precedent.
It is unlikely the guy off the street has done the at least 3 years of Homework on Tesla/TSLA that you have done just by reading TMC, otherwise he would have already been Hodling if he really understood the company ... he is also likely to sell when there is a decent gain ~$1200 ... we all know the next trip to $1200 might be really quick and may not be retraced
the journey matters ... more than the destination HODL
This is beyond stupid speculation. The deal had a 1 billion back out stipulation. If Elon backs out, he pays 1 billion. End of story.
The referenced court case didn't have a back out stipulation.
This speculation by that twitter poster is beyond stupid.
.......beyond stupid
........like really stupid
It has happened before… but that is why Elon is putting his case out there. Odds of it actually happening are low.
Or you could get a HELOC, haha. I'm seriously fighting with the devil on my shoulder telling me to liquidate all of my shares and buy 2024 expiry LEAPs.
I mean, I'd like to think so, but one of the cases he cited also had a breakup fee - that didn't stop the judge from ordering the two parties to try and work it out (and consider a forced acquisition; litigation is ongoing). Just like in a home purchase with a liquidated damages clause where the buyer walks, the seller can still go after the buyer for more if they think they can prove damages.
It's worth noting that the "analyst" has a strong negative Elon bias. However, he's not wrong to say that there's precedent.
The market can stay irrational longer than many can remain solvent, but that usually only applies to those using leverage of some sort (either using margin or options).
Common stock holders have nothing to worry about if they have no need or intention to sell anytime in the next few years.
Hold the course as long as you continue to believe in the underlying fundamentals and income growth trajectory. The stock price and PE ratio may drop quite a bit lower, much lower than what many will want to contemplate, and for much longer than what we might think possible, but that will all be irrelevant in the long term if growth plays out as expected. It has happened the exact same way with other companies, and also with Tesla itself already!
Warning: non-tesla anecdote about investing follows (To emphasize a similar situation to Tesla today).
In the early 2010s, Apple Stock was in a curious spot: It’s market cap had increased significantly in the previous decade on the back of giant success with the iPod and the recent launch of iPhone & iPad. However its PE ratio would fall below 10x multiple times (under 8x on an ex-cash basis) between 2011 - 2016, despite the iPhone continuing to grow along with it’s other products & services and the company increasing it’s vertical integration.
All you saw in the finance and tech media was: “Apple is doomed” and “competition is coming“ and “all they are is overpriced hardware, clever marketing & they will run out of fanboys“. Most of the market participants predicted that Apple’s profits would eventually fall and they would never be able to successfully introduce another meaningful product that would “move the needle”.
(Famously, Tripp Chowdry - legendary buffoon - said of Apple in 2014: “they only have 60 days left to either come up with something or they will disappear“)
It was hard to be an Apple investor at that time. By 2016 I thought I was taking crazy pills, the company Enterprise Value was under $400 Billion, while the company was buying back $40 Billion plus in stock a year and still growing its cash pile ever larger (technically at the then market value and buyback rate the company cash amount would surpass its market cap in less than 8 years and its enterprise value would turn negative). I wrote a blog post about it that garnered over 30 thousand views - there were plenty that felt the exact same way, that the outcome was obvious (massive share price appreciation) but why hadn’t the stock market in aggregate not realised the same?
The answer was obvious in retrospect: The stock market is often stupid. When it is, fortunes are made by those with conviction, no matter how long they have to wait.
Common stock holders have nothing to worry about if they have no need or intention to sell anytime in the next few years.
Hold the course as long as you continue to believe in the underlying fundamentals and income growth trajectory. The stock price and PE ratio may drop quite a bit lower, much lower than what many will want to contemplate, and for much longer than what we might think possible, but that will all be irrelevant in the long term if growth plays out as expected. It has happened the exact same way with other companies, and also with Tesla itself already!
Warning: non-tesla anecdote about investing follows (To emphasize a similar situation to Tesla today).
In the early 2010s, Apple Stock was in a curious spot: It’s market cap had increased significantly in the previous decade on the back of giant success with the iPod and the recent launch of iPhone & iPad. However its PE ratio would fall below 10x multiple times (under 8x on an ex-cash basis) between 2011 - 2016, despite the iPhone continuing to grow along with it’s other products & services and the company increasing it’s vertical integration.
All you saw in the finance and tech media was: “Apple is doomed” and “competition is coming“ and “all they are is overpriced hardware, clever marketing & they will run out of fanboys“. Most of the market participants predicted that Apple’s profits would eventually fall and they would never be able to successfully introduce another meaningful product that would “move the needle”.
(Famously, Tripp Chowdry - legendary buffoon - said of Apple in 2014: “they only have 60 days left to either come up with something or they will disappear“)
It was hard to be an Apple investor at that time. By 2016 I thought I was taking crazy pills, the company Enterprise Value was under $400 Billion, while the company was buying back $40 Billion plus in stock a year and still growing its cash pile ever larger (technically at the then market value and buyback rate the company cash amount would surpass its market cap in less than 8 years and its enterprise value would turn negative). I wrote a blog post about it that garnered over 30 thousand views - there were plenty that felt the exact same way, that the outcome was obvious (massive share price appreciation) but why hadn’t the stock market in aggregate not realised the same?
The answer was obvious in retrospect: The stock market is often stupid. When it is, fortunes are made by those with conviction, no matter how long they have to wait.
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