Serious question: Do democrats make the ESG standards?
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I guess we'll find out soon enough. If the delivery lead time suddenly drops by a few months it might be an indication (or simply an indication that supply is expanding, or demand everywhere is dropping as we enter a recession). If, on the other hand, orders and backlogs increase, it will be an indication that he is reaching a new audience by taking a principled stand. As stockholders, either way it will be an interesting ride.The question is how many cancellations and reductions in new orders will occur because of Musks recent actions.
Then if it is a significant amount, how long before someone within Tesla will be brave enough to tell him why.
At which point it will be interesting to see how he deals with it.
Seeing today's signal to noise ratio in this forum is mind blown.
He won't criticize autocrats, only democrats.
Serious question: Do democrats make the ESG standards?
The same folks who took forever to add Tesla to the S&P500, and the same ones who are keeping Tesla's credit rating below investment grade.Serious question: Do democrats make the ESG standards?
I was absent from this forum for a long long time and just jumping back in the forum today. My first investment is with 2019 when I'm deciding rather I should buy FSD or stocks. I've chose to use the money to buy stock instead and ends up doing ok.Reminds me of may 2020, must be a signal…
As the saying goes: "Some of you guys really need to touch grass."I've learmt one thing from this thread today. And that is that's that some people really need to take a break from it.
Azov Brigade is not neo-nazi. That is more Russian propaganda.Well you said Musk supporting white supremacists and that was the first thing that came to mind. (btw, there is a small neo nazi group that fight along with the Ukrainian army in the Donbas who may or may not be using starlink...life is full of nuances).
The Nazis are not the only military or paramilitary group to use Skulls and cross bones patches imagery.well, that's correct. this is wildly off topic -- if this post disappears i won't complain.
I support Ukraine and think Putin is a monster, but there are nazis in both camps, sadly. The Azov Battalion in Ukraine uses tons of Nazi imagery, and Zalenskyy just this week posted a photo of himself prominently sporting the Totenkopf logo (google it), which was worn by Nazi SS extermination camp guards. I doubt he realized this, which is undoubtedly why he deleted the post. Ukraine does have a Nazi problem, but that in no way justifies Russia's outrageous actions invading them and committing war crimes against their people, the vast majority of whom are not in any way nazis.
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Good thinking, no Twitter, let's wade in with politics. Only feeding my friends who recently decided that they will never buy an Tesla.
Dems don't drive as much anyway. Maybe its a genius move to switch more Repubs to Tesla.
Why are we even talking about politics ?
Cynical corporate minions toiling pointlessly, without a conscience. So ESG might have a purpose originating from one group, meaning well. The implementation gets abused unless it's called out.Serious question: Do democrats make the ESG standards?
@Gigapress, I call BS on your post. No way you are only 27. Wise beyond your years my friend.Anyone thinking that demand is going to decline from here is falling into the trap of overweighting factors that are actually not very influential and discounting the factors that dominate.
This club, and presumably our social circles outside TMC, is a group of unusually well-informed, wealthy and principled people.
Most people are not this principled, or at least haven’t developed themselves enough as individuals to reach that point, and even if they would like to be so, they can’t afford it with their available time and financial resources.
Science is always our best bet rather than speculation and anecdotes which are rife with potential sources of data collection bias as well as cognitive bias in examining the data. Rigorous consumer psychology and microeconomics research shows that when making major purchasing decisions for a car, the following factors dominate:
Sorry if that seems overly cynical but this is the reality shown by the data. Self-interest tends to dominate actual purchase decisions and people will find a way to rationalize the purchase to avoid cognitive dissonance. Plenty of social justice warriors are still buying Subaru Foresters and Toyota Highlanders and 2500 sqft suburban houses with monoculture lawns because they “need it” when a bicycle and 1000 sqft would do just fine and probably make them feel less stressed about money and commuting. I do *sugar* like this too, by the way. We’re all guilty of it. Everybody gangsta until substantial personal sacrifice is required.
- Affordability
- Sticker price/Monthly payments for poorly educated consumers
- Total cost of ownership for knowledgeable consumers
- Appearance/aesthetics
- Utility
- Range, storage space, seat count, headroom, comfort, cup holders, etc.
- Perceived social status ramifications of the purchase
- Perceived safety
- Reliability
- Performance and fun
Also, the younger generation gets it, they’re rightly afraid of climate change affecting their future, and they’re pissed off at the status quo. Every year they’re getting older and more affluent. Every year more of them download Robinhood and WeBull and buy TSLA and AAPL. They want, more than anything else, Teslas. Not cars, not EVs—Teslas. You want to impress your 23-year-old friends or boost the status of your younger brother in high school? Buy a Tesla. Be seen driving it in real life and on social media. It’s that simple.
The best leading indicator of global youth culture for the last 30 years has been American hip hop. Social trends usually get started this way. For instance, hip hop in the late ‘80s and early ‘90s was in no small part responsible for growing the international movement to boycott South Africa until Apartheid was abolished (link).
Rappers used to boast about garages filled wall-to-wall with Mercedes, Lexus, BMW, Ferrari and Lamborghini. Now the stars are increasingly bragging about Teslas at the expense of all other brands. Representative example: Travis Scott, one of the hottest rappers in the game right now, made a music video with the Cybertruck and Boring not-flamethrowers the day after the reveal. In case you didn’t click the link, it garnered 59M views and the top comment with 4.6k likes was “He actually flexed on us with a Cybertruck”.
Meanwhile, when I ventured away from deep blue Seattle a few months ago to Nevada, Texas, and Ohio, I spoke with several conservatives of all ages about Tesla. It’s hard for the subject not to come up in small talk when I’m a 27-year-old Teslanaire going on a retirement trip. One owns a Model X and said he wishes Elon would be President. (Sadly I had to inform him that’s unconstitutional because Elon’s an immigrant, but I think I convinced him and his buddy that the US oil & gas industry is going to collapse all by itself irrespective of who’s in office and solar is our path to energy independence). Another had his mind blown by me telling him about the Cybertruck and Giga Austin. Another person I met is a die-hard patriot and gun rights activist who thinks (bless his heart) that the USA would be better off kicking California out of the Union, and he is a huge Elon supporter too. And so on.
It should also be noted that on average, conservatives in the USA drive more miles with less efficient vehicles than liberals. If they as a demographic are finally are coming around to realizing that solar and EVs are not a globalist conspiracy to take down freedom and turn America into an apocalyptic socialist hellhole ruled by The Swamp, I’m actually pretty pleased with that outcome. It’s a lot better than hearing sarcastic comments about “shoveling all this global warming off my driveway” every time it snows.
I think Tesla is going to be just fine and the worry is a waste of time. Sure, Elon is kicking the beehive again, but at least he’s being reasonable about it and not being a jerk like he was in 2018 when he was super stressed and exhausted from Production Hell. We survived that and we will definitely survive this too.
Honestly, the number of people I care what they think is fewer than the number of fingers I have on one hand. Everyone else can go take a flying leap off my mountain and I won’t bat an eyelash.Do you think someone wishing you pain and hurt is a good thing?
Anti-China feeling and rhetoric among those who will come into power is such that American companies might be banned from doing business in China, which the prez talked about doing during the last administration. It seems likely that fossil lobbyists and others will have sufficient influence that there will be action taken to slow the spread of EV's such as a new tax on EV's or other legislation or regulatory action to advantage ICE. The things Elon says and does in the next couple of years might not spare Tesla from these powerful beliefs and interests.Elon is not digging his own grave, he's building his future, same as always.
He can see the political winds are shifting away from D's and towards R's in the next two elections so he's establishing that you do not cross a man as influential as Elon Musk. Dems will lose influence in coming elections and this will cause both parties to suck up to him and catapult him and his companies to the next level of the stratosphere.
Elon does not plan ahead one or two days, he plans for the next 2-5 years. It's difficult for me to watch just how short- sighted so many TMC people have become!
Also important to realize most people don't care about what's tweeted on Twitter, or the fake dramas the MSM gins up for clicks. Retail investors also don't move the needle on tsla stock price relative to big money funds and were going through a short term market revaluation along tesla's journey to becoming the world's most valuable company this decade, so why get wrapped around the axle on any of this? All I know is tesla will continue scaling, the global economy will be less carbon intensive, and I'm currently enjoying a beach in Maui from what tesla has already achieved.and this:
I think his mom should have a talk with Elon because he is out control lol.