At this point, I'm fully on board with Tesla spending millions in litigation to take to the NHSTA. There's so much bias and Tesla's lawyers could create a mountain of documentation showing the NHSTA purposely goes after Tesla compared to other auto makers. The data is on Tesla's side, I'd love to see them stick it to the NHSTA
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Munro assumed this _after_ battery day.
I'm not so sure they "can't" do this. Texting is illegal while driving in 48 states. It would be a difficult thing to claim Tesla is violating their TOS by not facilitating in helping you break the law. It's no different than if they added a seatbelt requirement after the fact. When I purchased EAP/FSD I don't recall being told that removing my seatbelt would disable the system, but it does.
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I stumbled upon a very interesting conversation between Micheal Liebreich and Ion Yadigaroglu
Ion Yadigaroglu has been Managing Partner at Capricorn Investment Group since 2004, and is an early investor in iconic technology companies including Tesla, SpaceX, Planet, QuantumScape and Saildrone. Capricorn was born from the desire to demonstrate the huge investment potential that resides in breakthrough commercial solutions to the world’s most pressing problems, and as such is one of the original impact investors.
Ion was also a physics assistant who teached JB Straubel, which in retrospect was a huge luck
Video, podcast and trascript here:
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I stumbled upon a very interesting conversation between Micheal Liebreich and Ion Yadigaroglu
Ion Yadigaroglu has been Managing Partner at Capricorn Investment Group since 2004, and is an early investor in iconic technology companies including Tesla, SpaceX, Planet, QuantumScape and Saildrone. Capricorn was born from the desire to demonstrate the huge investment potential that resides in breakthrough commercial solutions to the world’s most pressing problems, and as such is one of the original impact investors.
Ion was also a physics assistant who teached JB Straubel, which in retrospect was a huge luck
Video, podcast and trascript here:
Ep89: Ion Yadigaroglu "Pioneering Impact Investor"
Ion Yadigaroglu has been Managing Partner at Capricorn Investment Group since 2004, and is an early investor in iconic technology companies including Tesla, SpaceX,…
dhanson865
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Why not lease the space to Tesla for superchargers? The govt gets paid for our asset and EV owners get good service.
On general principal, I want the govt to limit their actions to when the free market fails. The free market is capable of dealing with EV charging.
What non-profit wants to give away free charging? Who funds them? I'm guessing there's a catch. How will the free market compete with "free" charging? You'll end up with no commercial chargers and a mile long line at the "free" charger. Unintended consequences.
"asthma, COPD and cancer (to name but a few)" are the reasons I'm so pro EV.
I stopped having anything to do with Cramer’s a while ago. This guy is full of *sugar*, not worth the time!
Not only does the NHTSA investigate phantom braking in other manufacturers, as proven by the article you posted, they have sent similar information requests to literally every manufacturer who deploys systems with functionality similar to Autopilot.And now we know why Elon was asking for "pitbull" lawyers to seek employment with Tesla. Hopefully he's learned an aggressive defense is the best defense.
If NHTSA isn't requesting phantom breaking info from other manufs, they are opening themselves up to some serious bias claims. Wonder what the status of this investigation is:
1.7 million Hondas are being investigated for phantom braking
NHTSA has received 278 complaints about inappropriate automatic emergency braking.arstechnica.com
Here’s the ODI report for the newly upgraded Autopilot investigation
Here’s a letter to BMW from the Preliminary Evaluation
VW
Mercedes
This is all public info on the NHTSA website
Yes......which means every other auto maker should have a probe opened up and active in the engineering status.
So I'm expecting announcements....any day......for sure they're going to.........any day
That's bias. And that's what the NHSTA is going to get exposed for
bkp_duke
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Informative, thank you. So apparently it's just the mainstream media making this out to be a "Tesla only" issue.
That is different. With the "early limited" release of FSD Beta if you get 3, or 5 depending on vehicle configuration, "strikes" you lose access to the feature. For at least a couple months, if not until it goes to general/wide release.
So I don't think Tesla could permanently take a, paid for, feature away from a vehicle if a single driver abused it. (Even if the driver is now following the rules/conditions.)
Tesla might be the only manufacturer that actually has data to investigate.Yes......which means every other auto maker should have a probe opened up and active in the engineering status.
So I'm expecting announcements....any day......for sure they're going to.........any day
That's bias. And that's what the NHSTA is going to get exposed for
https://www.nhtsa.gov/DOT/NHTSA/Tra...icles/Associated Files/MVDefectsandRecall.pdf
Ugly copy/pastev
bkp_duke
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Tangential, but that ~8s doesn't surprise me at all. When driving these days I see probably 50% of drivers with their eyes on their phones and not the road.
The Engineering Analysis investigation NHTSA just opened is not related to Phantom Braking. (It is related to crashes involving First Responder vehicles.)
I haven't seen NHTSA open an investigation into these types of crashes with any other vehicle manufacturer.
Ah I see TSLA is doing it's usual thing on these types of days.
Starts out up big, macro's go lower, TSLA get's walked down non-stop all day......macro's recover......TSLA doesn't
Starts out up big, macro's go lower, TSLA get's walked down non-stop all day......macro's recover......TSLA doesn't
To me at least, that would put the NHSTA in an even worse position. Tesla could argue "Why is the NHSTA allowing everyone else to have the same assisted driving features without being able to collect data/statistics?"
And yes there is data to investigate. I could take an hour and find many videos of Ford's drive assists doing very unsafe things.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Lol, Cramer has the morals of an alley cat, but at 30s into this video, he says "Yeah, you really want to buy this stock after you read this. I think the headline says it all: 'time to be bold'".
Hard to argue with that.
We should take a moment as another "bear thesis" about Tesla and its valuation, crumbles.
Turns out even when other EV makes hit volume production.......they still can't even get themselves to profitability and struggle to get gross margins even half of what Tesla is hitting. Nio's gross margins went down from 17% to 14% and their forecast isn't for them to rebound anytime soon. BYD, who our favorite fake Tesla investor (Taylor Ogan) has hit volume for a few quarters in a row.................with absolutely dreadful margins. These are Chinese EV makers with the lowest cost of manufacturing in the world. And they still can't even get close to Tesla's margins and profits.
Nio's earnings show the ugly truth for all of Tesla competitors and really shows how incredibly well run and efficient Tesla is.
Turns out even when other EV makes hit volume production.......they still can't even get themselves to profitability and struggle to get gross margins even half of what Tesla is hitting. Nio's gross margins went down from 17% to 14% and their forecast isn't for them to rebound anytime soon. BYD, who our favorite fake Tesla investor (Taylor Ogan) has hit volume for a few quarters in a row.................with absolutely dreadful margins. These are Chinese EV makers with the lowest cost of manufacturing in the world. And they still can't even get close to Tesla's margins and profits.
Nio's earnings show the ugly truth for all of Tesla competitors and really shows how incredibly well run and efficient Tesla is.
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NHTSA is investigating/ learning, they have not judged anything as bad at this point. They could even determine Tesla is better than the competition (in performance or data collection).
Videos of Fords != data from Ford.
Don't be an ODowd.
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