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I think market is overacting on the CPI numbers. While inflation is high, the income also increased quite a lot. My friend's company is hiring an entry level sales assistant position and it was $15/hr pre-covid, now they need list $21/hr in order to be competitive. My local warehouse job was listed about $13/hr and now is $18+/hr. That's about 40% wage increase in 2 years. I don't feel people cutting back on spending, there still lots of people in malls and stores, the freeways around where I live are still packed during weekends. Tesla is still having huge backlog despite they increased price so much...
Wages are not keeping up with inflation.

Higher food, energy and rents are a disaster for half of the worlds population. No way to spin this as positive.

We've been underinvesting in energy. Unforced error. Gas prices will go higher this summer as inventories decline despite depleting the SPR.

I know most on this board want higher fuel prices to hasten the transition. I know you think it's the right public policy for a better world. Now is a good time to see the consequences of that policy and compare to your expected benefits from slower AGW.

On a personal note, sold the 2000 Land Cruiser (loved that car) and got our second MX (love that car). Now an all electric family.
 
Wages are not keeping up with inflation.

Higher food, energy and rents are a disaster for half of the worlds population. No way to spin this as positive.

We've been underinvesting in energy. Unforced error. Gas prices will go higher this summer as inventories decline despite depleting the SPR.

I know most on this board want higher fuel prices to hasten the transition. I know you think it's the right public policy for a better world. Now is a good time to see the consequences of that policy and compare to your expected benefits from slower AGW.

On a personal note, sold the 2000 Land Cruiser (loved that car) and got our second MX (love that car). Now an all electric family.
This isn't necessarily true. We actually have very little insight so far into exactly how inflation is actually hurting consumers. As @The Accountant pointed out, Core CPI paints a much different picture than top line print does. But my point is that things like EV's, remote work, online entertainment (that take the place of families going out for entertainment), etc... all have very real impacts on how much energy/gas sky high inflation actually effect consumers.

If you're either a EV driver or a remote worker, your wage increases from wage inflation more than cover inflation that excludes direct energy/gas prices. That's why the Core CPI numbers is much more important and relative than the top line CPI number

As for the lower half of the population....at least in the US, it's been proven many times over that the group of the population under middle income, has hardly any actual impact on the economy. By far, middle income households and especially upper middle income households drive the economy. And these are the groups that have and continue to benefit from early/rapid EV adoption and/or remote work.
 
This isn't necessarily true. We actually have very little insight so far into exactly how inflation is actually hurting consumers. As @The Accountant pointed out, Core CPI paints a much different picture than top line print does. But my point is that things like EV's, remote work, online entertainment (that take the place of families going out for entertainment), etc... all have very real impacts on how much energy/gas sky high inflation actually effect consumers.

If you're either a EV driver or a remote worker, your wage increases from wage inflation more than cover inflation that excludes direct energy/gas prices. That's why the Core CPI numbers is much more important and relative than the top line CPI number

As for the lower half of the population....at least in the US, it's been proven many times over that the group of the population under middle income, has hardly any actual impact on the economy. By far, middle income households and especially upper middle income households drive the economy. And these are the groups that have and continue to benefit from early/rapid EV adoption and/or remote work.
Inflation is probably much higher than that reported.
healthcare and tuition have reach absurd levels
 
Inflation is probably much higher than that reported.
healthcare and tuition have reach absurd levels
Much higher......for some
Much lower........for others.

That's the point of my post. Inflation doesn't hit everyone the same. The comparisons to the 70's/80's and their inflation issues to today are a complete joke because the consumer/population/workforce is nothing like they were then.

The main point of my post is that the % of the population - upper middle class (the most important) and middle income could be in a situation where the primary causes of inflation is something that doesn't hit them nearly as hard because they're the group that has adopted EV's AND they're the group that has the options for remote work. With this group of the population, the wage growth from wage inflation has more than covered the other parts of inflation that does actually impact the group.

This is why I'm of the belief there will be no recession. This group drives the US economy and they have a lot of flexibility in their costs.
 
Who the heck is Bob?
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Bob looks pleased with his investment, doesn't he?
 
Much higher......for some
Much lower........for others.

That's the point of my post. Inflation doesn't hit everyone the same. The comparisons to the 70's/80's and their inflation issues to today are a complete joke because the consumer/population/workforce is nothing like they were then.

The main point of my post is that the % of the population - upper middle class (the most important) and middle income could be in a situation where the primary causes of inflation is something that doesn't hit them nearly as hard because they're the group that has adopted EV's AND they're the group that has the options for remote work. With this group of the population, the wage growth from wage inflation has more than covered the other parts of inflation that does actually impact the group.

This is why I'm of the belief there will be no recession. This group drives the US economy and they have a lot of flexibility in their cost
Deflating portfolios can certainly impact human behavior.
it’s the negative wealth effect, plus higher costs
that may cause the consumer to recede
 
I was going to post this earlier but refrained as maybe not relevant but now the main mans commented on it:


Maybe Tesla’s insurance should have a waiver that if you have sex in your car and pass on a STD to your partner Tesla insurance will not be paying anything out.

Seriously maybe with the way Musk gets publicity some of the rules may get changed.
 
I was going to post this earlier but refrained as maybe not relevant but now the main mans commented on it:


Maybe Tesla’s insurance should have a waiver that if you have sex in your car and pass on a STD to your partner Tesla insurance will not be paying anything out.

Seriously maybe with the way Musk gets publicity some of the rules may get changed.

It is well known you can get gonorrhea from a tractor, so I would assume the same risk in a car as well.

 
The SEC filing disclosing the split is available here:

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/0001318605/000156459022022992/tsla-pre14a_20220804.htm


Reasons for the Proposed Amendment

The primary purpose of the Authorized Shares Amendment is to facilitate a 3-for-1 split of our common stock in the form of a stock dividend (the “Stock Split”). As of June 6, 2022, we have 1,036,390,569 shares of common stock outstanding, and the current number of authorized shares of our common stock is 2,000,000,000, which is insufficient to effectuate the Stock Split. Our Board intends to approve the Stock Split, subject to and contingent upon stockholder approval of the Authorized Shares Amendment.

Our success depends on attracting and retaining excellent talent, not only through providing a respectful, safe, inclusive and equitable workplace, but also through offering outstanding benefits and highly competitive compensation packages. Unlike other manufacturers, we offer every employee the option of receiving equity. Since our stock split in August 2020 to June 6, 2022, our stock price has risen 43.5%. While this value appreciation has led to our employees benefiting enormously through the years, we want to make sure all employees, no matter when they join, have access to the same advantages. We believe the Stock Split would help reset the market price of our common stock so that our employees will have more flexibility in managing their equity, all of which, in our view, may help maximize stockholder value. In addition, as retail investors have expressed a high level of interest in investing in our stock, we believe the Stock Split will also make our common stock more accessible to our retail shareholders.

Except for shares reserved for issuance under existing equity compensation plans and shares that would be issued pursuant to the Stock Split, the Board has no current plans to issue additional shares of common stock. As such, the Authorized Shares Amendment represents a request for a proportionate increase in the number of authorized shares of common stock based on our planned Stock Split.