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Many, including myself, feel that trying to time the market isn’t a great strategy.

I’ve shared my criteria for deciding when to sell earlier on this thread:
I appreciate you sharing. I agree with you on the long term approach. What’s your view on selling when the market is inflated, such as what we saw in late 2020? Someone who knew the price levels were unsustainable could’ve sold some positions to buy back when the market cools down.
 
A good friend of mine just purchased a Model Y due to the price reduction. Demand will be bonkers!
Right now multiple times in my Twitter feed:

“Elon Musk is evil, I hate him and all of his companies and I don’t want to pay him ANY money. But now I am considering buying a Model Y because of the price cuts”.

I like where this is going. These price cuts are actually turning Tesla haters into customers. It’s gonna be fun to watch.
 
Right now multiple times in my Twitter feed:

“Elon Musk is evil, I hate him and all of his companies and I don’t want to pay him ANY money. But now I am considering buying a Model Y because of the price cuts”.

I like where this is going. These price cuts are actually turning Tesla haters into customers. It’s gonna be fun to watch.

They only really hate themselves. And would hate themselves even more if they turned down such a great driving experience. ;)
 
This is brilliant. I don’t know who Elon Musk hired into their strategy team, but they’ve been making very smart moves.
Wonder if the BOD that a lot of people on this board have been bitching about had anything to do with it?

They did, rest assured. I hope now that Tesla (not just Elon) has made this big move we can all trust them to do the right and smart thing going into the future. This thread was getting insufferable (except for a few posters).

Let's get back to making this thread about Tesla and the Investment World without second guessing Tesla's every move (or lack thereof).

On a related note, I think the promotion of Tom Zhu onto the global stage is going to allow Tesla to make even more dramatic moves, when called for, in 2023. Can't wait for him to be for him to be formally introduced to the world in a few weeks!
 
I appreciate you sharing. I agree with you on the long term approach. What’s your view on selling when the market is inflated, such as what we saw in late 2020? Someone who knew the price levels were unsustainable could’ve sold some positions to buy back when the market cools down.
It’s hard for me to know what "inflated" is. In retrospect, sure I could see having sold some then, especially if one were living off the shares and didn’t have enough cash to see them through a couple of years. It was hard to foresee that the macro environment and geopolitical situation would deteriorate so much in 2022.

On the other hand, the problem is that the moves can be so abrupt that you can miss out and the Street is actively trying to wrong foot retail investors. That is, they actively try to confound retail investors and speculators by massaging the market in favor of popular expectations for a while and then triggering a move in the another direction—leading to undershoots and overshoots.

You can try to outsmart the Street, but those guys hold more cards and have more tools available than does retail. So your best strategy is to hold.

I do think the shorting is overdone, so now is a particularly good time to buy. However, the company is doing so well that my strategy for buying remains: Have cash? But TSLA!

There are a couple of investors here who have correctly timed a high and gotten back in at a good time. There are plenty more who have mistimed things.
 
I don’t know about you all, but Ross' arguments are not working for me.

His heart is in the right place but his mind not so much. Tesla doesn't want to become establishment, but a move like this by Ross would in turn make Tesla into the thing they are trying to avoid becoming. It's ironic he cannot see that.

Like hello, they won't pay for a media relations team and you think they want a lobbying arm? lol
 
I don’t know about you all, but Ross' arguments are not working for me.

This is all my opinion but here is what I think about Ross. He's an advocate for EV's, he's an advocate for Tesla. He put his funds in to trouble by relying too much on $TSLA. Now that $TSLA is way down he's in a bad position and is reaching for ways to improve that position. I like Ross for entertainment and watch his material when he is on YouTube channels or network TV, I have nothing against him doing what he's doing, overall I think he's been positive for Tesla.

Me personally, I don't like fund managers having control over my money, I've made good decisions, I've made bad decisions, but I'm saving 1% per year on fees by going with low cost investments (straight stocks and low cost broker funds). I figure that gives me a 1% cushion to mess up with. It has worked out ok for the last 20 years and I'm happy with it working out ok.
 
Detroit Free Press - Today:
General Motors takes its racketeering case against Stellantis to Supreme Court

Excerpt:

...GM’s case, which dates to a filing in federal court in Detroit in November 2019, is tied to the long-running corruption scandal that sent former top UAW leaders and former auto executives to prison and led to a conviction for FCA US, Stellantis’ U.S. operating arm, and an independent monitor for the union. The UAW was not named as a defendant in the GM case. The scandal involved the embezzlement and misuse of millions of dollars for lavish goodies, including travel, dining and even a Ferrari...
 
Why would you want to advocate for a bunch of crybabies? :oops: I'm sure they weren't thanking Tesla every time they raised prices and wondering how they were ever going to pay them back for the free value being sent their way. At some point car buyers have to act like adults.

There's a good economic reason why Tesla doesn't drop prices incrementally and it's the same reason why deflation is terrible for the economy. You might think lower prices would be a good thing but when prices are dropping on a regular basis, people start to anticipate things will become cheaper in the future so they stop buying them, waiting for cheaper prices. This creates a vicious cycle where consumers waiting for the price to drop create a lack of demand which causes further price decreases, etc.

Tesla did this the right way and even left some room to for a couple of small price raises to stoke demand in the future. I know that sounds strange, but incremental price raises signal to buyers that prices might go even higher.

Yeah I guess it’s a better way to increase incrementally and see where you reach an inflection point on the curve of price/demand and once you have delivered all the possible cars in the market at that price you drop it hard to bring back demand as strong as it was originally
 
The trend is no longer tslaq friend ;)
Inventory down from 2500 to 1500
This is definitely something to continue watching and with appreciation for nuance: there is not a single Model Y available right now that is <$55k. However, there are 490 Model Y listings at $55k+ with various options.

I would almost want to see this graph put together in a way that can be broken down to inventory by model by price, or even just model and <$IRA Limit and >$IRA Limit, that could likely add significant value to those of us looking to trend and discern any further possible actions.

Is the expectation that Tesla will shift production moreso towards the base pearl white and away from the other configs? If there are purchasing/manufacturing considerations that preclude such a quick shift in production focus, like being able to secure enough pearl white paint, is it possible there could eventually be cuts coming for the options?



Side note that I believe this confirms the idea that listed inventory numbers are significantly understated compared to physical vehicles, there is surely a 0% chance these price cuts only resulted in ~1,000 vehicles moving.
 
Regarding angry customers, what can Tesla do? Implement a 2-week guarantee like Apple? Then the ones that took delivery 15 days back will be pissed, you can never win

I think the right approach is what they're doing, to reduce the price of cars on order, not yet delivered, which is pretty much Amazon's policy toon if I recall. Not sure any other car manufacturers do this...?


I saw various people on the FB Benelux Tesla forums claim that Tesla would refund the price difference if the delivery was less than 14 days ago. Maybe that’s why they waited 2 weeks after the end-of-quarter rush to announce the new pricing. Don’t know if those claims are legit or not.
 
I have tagged this post by emplacing it in the "...of Merit" thread so that all can make use of it when needing to present solid material to counter those who wish to champion hydrogen as an alternative to EVs. Moderators' Choice: Posts of Particular Merit

It also presents an amazing example of a speaking pattern that makes the infamous New Canaan (or Greenwich) Lockjaw seem like LucyLooseLips. Astonishing! Watch those teeth!


And you have to love her discussion of litters of water 😂 .
 
I received this today. Hopefully it means RHD S and X are close to being produced.

I may even get to find out by how much I can’t afford it what with my portfolio being all sorts of shades of red.:cool:
 

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Ross believes the reason why Tesla has demand problems toward the end of the year is due to optics against Tesla. Many people here are pointing to the brand image tanking.

The REAL reason is because the cars were too expensive. Don't let people on the internet tell you driving a Tesla is like wearing a MAGA hat nonsense. Very few people cares about politics.

Porsche is a very loved brand by all. Their base Macan, a Y competitor cost 57k. Many of their cars are 60k+. They only managed to move 49,110 units in the US the first 9 months of 2022, what Tesla sell in a month. I think people forgot how difficult it is to move cars in the 60k+ range, especially in mass quantities like Tesla is doing which is one hell of a feat in itself. Porsche wish they had Tesla numbers.

Just to put things in a better perspective that the brand is fine, Tesla sold more cars in the US that cost over 100k in the last 9 months than Porsche did for all their skus in the U.S!

Some engineers working with my wife want Teslas but they said they won’t buy one because of Musk. I don’t know if it was the media narrative that already convinced them he was a egocentric billionaire not worth encouraging or if it was the Twitter activity lately that formed that thought and conclusion however some moderate conservative people might be pushed to a somewhat more neutral car brand like Hyundai Ioniq 5 where you won’t be questioned about the possible political implications of your car purchase.
 
I saw various people on the FB Benelux Tesla forums claim that Tesla would refund the price difference if the delivery was less than 14 days ago. Maybe that’s why they waited 2 weeks after the end-of-quarter rush to announce the new pricing. Don’t know if those claims are legit or not.

This only applies to Europe, where by law there is a 14-day return period for anything bought online, including cars. Valid for private cars only, not business cars or leased cars.
 
Some engineers working with my wife want Teslas but they said they won’t buy one because of Musk. I don’t know if it was the media narrative that already convinced them he was a egocentric billionaire not worth encouraging or if it was the Twitter activity lately that formed that thought and conclusion however some moderate conservative people might be pushed to a somewhat more neutral car brand like Hyundai Ioniq 5 where you won’t be questioned about the possible political implications of your car purchase.
I would have thought engineers could see thru the social mind control BS, but I guess they can't at least those ones. Though I do have one friend whose a CFD specialists and he hates Musk, as do most petrol heads so who the heck knows. I just find it ironic, some really smart effin ppl are misguided sheep.