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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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They really need to find a better quality of morons to interview. The guy who has a price of $85 on TSLA because he likes his KIA and people like Ford is really special.
FEERSUMENDJIN
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That is what we have for select Supercharger sites in UK and Europe. Pretty expensive for my FIAT500e, but in Dundee most times I go there half the people charging are non TESLA now. Lots of small trade vans such as Nissans or Renaults.
thesmokingman
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Irwin just flat out bold face lies now, no attempt to hide it.
And on a more general level, I dislike posts that make any kind of assumptions with regards to myself.
Maybe you should watch the "Who Killed the Electric Car?" series. Elon Musk was (and still is) the best force for this transition, but he isn't the only one who care(s|d) about EV. They are long overdue, but Tesla was probably not necessary.
Also, China.
MartinAustin
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The "monopoly" discussion here is ill-advised. The Supercharger network is not a monopoly, you still have ways to charge your car without using it. Monopolies are when you simply have no other alternative. And we do not want opponents of Tesla to start using the word "monopoly" in the media! Yet another device to confuse the uninformed public.
Towing as it relates to whether or not Cybertruck will be competitive with trucks... Cybertruck will be a successful, profitable endeavour for Tesla no matter what. Even if it is crappy at towing. (Which I refuse to believe until the data is in) The key problem legacy truckmakers face is that the Cybertruck will eat into sales in a way that the Toyota Tundra never did/will. It will eat BIG into sales. We will find out who doesn't need ICE towing and ICE refuelling advantages (whatever they are). It is going to hurt their profits and cause panic from dealerships to gas stations to parts suppliers to truckmakers, as they watch their decades-long steady-state get eroded. They simply won't know what to do. (I don't know what they're going to do either... crawl to the government cap-in-hand for some socialism?)
We should note that with a truck bed payload capacity of 3,500lbs on every trim, the Cybertruck allows you to carry heavy loads without a trailer. We will see less trailers on the back of Cybertrucks because the payload will more frequently be in the bed. I'm sure we often see a trailer on the back of an F-150 with nothing in it... or just like a refrigerator or lawnmower; nothing that is taxing the towing capability of the F-150. It's possible that the lower bed payload capacity of the F-150 forces some owners to have to live with a 1,000lb trailer in the rear. When they're towing it around with nothing on it, they're just burning money via worse mileage. Fewer Cybertruck owners will have that problem bcause the truck itself carries more w/ no trailer.
Check out the payload of the F-150... it's crap!!! Ford F150 Payload Capacity For Every Trim (2021 Guide)
Towing as it relates to whether or not Cybertruck will be competitive with trucks... Cybertruck will be a successful, profitable endeavour for Tesla no matter what. Even if it is crappy at towing. (Which I refuse to believe until the data is in) The key problem legacy truckmakers face is that the Cybertruck will eat into sales in a way that the Toyota Tundra never did/will. It will eat BIG into sales. We will find out who doesn't need ICE towing and ICE refuelling advantages (whatever they are). It is going to hurt their profits and cause panic from dealerships to gas stations to parts suppliers to truckmakers, as they watch their decades-long steady-state get eroded. They simply won't know what to do. (I don't know what they're going to do either... crawl to the government cap-in-hand for some socialism?)
We should note that with a truck bed payload capacity of 3,500lbs on every trim, the Cybertruck allows you to carry heavy loads without a trailer. We will see less trailers on the back of Cybertrucks because the payload will more frequently be in the bed. I'm sure we often see a trailer on the back of an F-150 with nothing in it... or just like a refrigerator or lawnmower; nothing that is taxing the towing capability of the F-150. It's possible that the lower bed payload capacity of the F-150 forces some owners to have to live with a 1,000lb trailer in the rear. When they're towing it around with nothing on it, they're just burning money via worse mileage. Fewer Cybertruck owners will have that problem bcause the truck itself carries more w/ no trailer.
Check out the payload of the F-150... it's crap!!! Ford F150 Payload Capacity For Every Trim (2021 Guide)
Still waiting for one serious manufacturer to adopt the NACS standard. Come on BYD, BMW, Honda, GM, Ford, Toyota, ……..
I agree with your list, but they have certainly agreed NACS is not the standard. It also doesn’t help to have a bunch of bootlickers wanting to punish other manufacturers, or fans of other manufacturers, for not being on their knees for Elon this whole time. I will guarantee you no real manufacture, will adopt this standard. Prove me wrong. I will be glad to post my mea culpa.
Saying a southern boy is stupid for not understanding the wonders of hockey, might be a valid statement, it just doesn’t encourage me to watch hockey.
I should’ve use North America instead of the US. I did not realize that Mexico and Canada has adopted the NACS as their DC charging standard. I’m glad those manufactures in those countries are all on board. So Elon convinced 2 other countries Only 100+ to go.
what is your issue with GB/T? Maybe we should all adopt that standard. Are you concerned that they might not treat you fairly or take advantage of you once you adopted their standard. At the same time, no one is allowed to suspect Tesla of this. But if you want to have an engineering discussion on charging standards., as an electrical engineer, let’s go. It’s a plug for god sake. DC cables and cooling. Proprietary locked by software and greedy companies.
bkp_duke
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Sorry, but you owe me a computer monitor. I literally spit my coffee out when I read this.
You don't expect the truth or competence from the US media, do you?
Maybe. But excellent is the enemy of good enough. And adapters keep pressure on Tesla from going too stupid on pricing. We know people who use only non tesla charging because of teslas pricing. And up here in the great white north if there were no adapters your route choices become pretty limited, especially if pulling a trailer.Adapters are not optimal. We should strive to use less of them.
Jmho.
Buckminster
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If I was living in NA I would want Toyota from that list. That way, you won't ever need to share your precious SCs...
They are all screwed whatever they do, but parking next to an autonomous Tesla in a year or so doesn't sound like my idea of OEM advertising.
Didn't know until recently this had a name coined by author Michael Crichton: the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect to describe forgetting how unreliable a source is in one area when you trust it in another area.My wife had The Today Show news program going this morning. Big story on EVs that was pretty negative. First they talked about how expensive EVs are, with average price over $60k. Then they talked about limited ranges of around 200 miles, range loss in cold weather, and slow public charging. No mention of Tesla, Tesla network, Model Y for under $50k with IRA credit, Tesla ranges, etc. Basically said EVs are good city cars for short trips. Then they talked about how Hybrids are the best of both worlds.
The amount of mis-information on a major news network, on a subject with easy access to correct information, is just mind blowing. And we trust them on topics we know little about....
I think the point was about "refuel" time though. I have no doubt that the towing capability is is quite good, but unfortunately an EV cannot yet hold a candle to being able to completely refuel in 5 minutes.
cybertruck, what is a cybertruck?
Oh, I forgot my hundred dollar deposit with no information. It’s going to be out for sure this year, it’s going to be amazing. It’s going to be made out of SpaceX stainless steel. The cybertruck is just every wingnuts excuse for not buying a Tesla now. they want and need a truck.
I have a deposit on a trimotor, which they already said they’re not gonna make. Did they send me an email? No, do I deserve any update on features and price? No. Will it come with a revolutionary ATV? No. Is the design finished? Is the battery structural? No.
The semi might be better for an RV that a long haul truck. With an RV your mainly hauling air, just like Frito lay
Without Tesla, the industry would have stayed making ICE for as long as possible.
They did bring up that with the tax incentive Teslas will now be price comparable/competitive with more common cars like the Highlander. But then said that they'll be selling every car they can make but at a lower profit. They constantly damn with faint praise and redirection. TSLA is going to eat their lunch, breakfast, dinner and snacks.
Maybe you should read the forum on a smartphone. Smartphones that would never have existed without Apple, obviously
bkp_duke
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Visual confirmation of the gigapress in Austin being assembled for CT. Designer on record last week saying production starts in June. Design finished last year (confirmed on earnings call).
Drama much?
JRP3
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Nissan had decades of experimental EV's before Tesla even existed and produced the Nissan Prairie Joy in small quantities using cylindrical lithium ion cells in 1997 and of course the LEAF in 2010. We certainly wouldn't be where we are today without Tesla but EV's were inevitable once battery technology caught up.
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