Someone changed the title of this thread (which I started). I don't have any particular complaints about the new title, but not cool to make this change without a post explaining who did it and why.
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I updated the title for clarity. So people who bought the car earlier in the year aren't concerned as it doesn't apply to them. We don't always get approval prior to a title change.Someone changed the title of this thread (which I started). I don't have any particular complaints about the new title, but not cool to make this change without a post explaining who did it and why.
Not at all, you are saying these vehicles have greater safety issues than Tesla does. As if AEB is the only safety issue with Tesla. It's not.
Where do I say that?
Where do I say that?
And you’re the guy playing games with syntax and semantics; you get called on that as well:
The fact is that Tesla turned it off in cars produced since July -- that's a helpful fix, no doubt, to specify to which cars it applies. Thank you.I updated the title for clarity. So people who bought the car earlier in the year aren't concerned as it doesn't apply to them. We don't always get approval prior to a title change.
The original title was "Tesla Turns Off AEB In New Cars"
Was the change something that completely changed the meaning of the thread title?
That was my only issue with where you took the conversation. I’ve explained it a few times.Here's the entirety of your post in response to my list of severe safety-critical problems in other vehicles (to make the point that other manufacturers also have failures in shipping vehicles and they are not considered catastrophic by the general population): "They’re also all a lot cheaper than a Tesla."
What was the intended interpretation of pointing out they are cheaper?
If much less expensive cars can successfully implement features like AEB when the margins are small, Tesla really has no excuse to not be able to do the same when their margins are significantly higher.
I took the opportunity to respond to both of their posts in that that GM, Ford, along with the the manufacturers somnambule cited, all were significantly less expensive on average. Point being that Tesla really has no excuse given the premium they charge for their vehicles and the often cited significantly higher margins they make.
With all due respect, it should be hard to say that with a straight face. I can provide many statements and commitments made by Tesla that have yet to be realized.Tesla has said it will be temporary and no reason to doubt them at this point.
There is every reason to doubt them about their claims related to non-MobileEye AP.It hardly is a significant change. 'Tesla turns off AED in new cars' is all still there. If Tesla announces they have permanently disabled AEB then yes, we can update the title. Tesla has said it will be temporary and no reason to doubt them at this point.
For hardware that was delivered and then functionality taken away? Yes, things like lighted vanity mirrors and the app store and many things in the early days when production was ramping up but not something like this. But fine, if it makes people feel better I'll take out the word temporarily. Without it, it sounds like they permanently disabled it which if true, would be a major issue and I doubt Tesla will let it come to that.With all due respect, it should be hard to say that with a straight face. I can provide many statements and commitments made by Tesla that have been yet to be realized.
You do not know if it is going to be temporary. Tesla CLAIMS it is going to be temporary. That is a significant difference.For hardware that was delivered and then functionality taken away? Yes, things like lighted vanity mirrors and the app store and many things in the early days when production was ramping up but not something like this. But fine, if it makes people feel better I'll take out the word temporarily. Without it, it sounds like they permanently disabled it which if true, would be a major issue and I doubt Tesla will let it come to that.
There is every reason to doubt them about their claims related to non-MobileEye AP.
My EAP is expected to be complete in December 2016 and rolled out in an over the air update.
Rain-sensing wipers.
3, 6 months definitely.
Disengagement reports.
Original AEB delay.
The "temporarily" is not a fact. It is a claim that you are presenting as fact. My suggested change is far more honest than yours. There is no announced date of return.
It's not 'weird', I already did it. It was meant to reflect the press statement that it would be about 6 weeks. Apparently that touched a nerve.You do not know if it is going to be temporary. Tesla CLAIMS it is going to be temporary. That is a significant difference.
Why are you reluctant to amend the thread title to make this clear? It's weird.
Dude. No. The absence of the word temporarily doesn't entail permanence. It entails "no one knows".Well, Tesla permanently disables AEP is also a claim that you are presenting as fact. Tesla said 6 weeks according to the article "The system should be available to owners within 6 weeks, Tesla said, even though the vehicles were initially sold as having AEB as standard equipment." We don't know either way. Unless its a few years from now or Tesla announces it is permanently disabled, we kind of have to take their word on it.
Dude. Until it's re-enabled, it's in a permanent state of not being there. People were upset about the word 'temporarily' saying that couldn't be correct. Seriously, this shouldn't be that big of an issue.Dude. No. The absence of the word temporarily doesn't entail permanence.
Fine. Say that Tesla intends to have it back asap. Or that they, snort, expect to.Dude. Until it's re-enabled, it's in a permanent state of not being there. People were upset about the word 'temporarily' saying that couldn't be correct. Seriously, this shouldn't be that big of an issue.
Can you provide the quote where I said that?Dude. No. The absence of the word temporarily doesn't entail permanence. It entails "no one knows".
Do you recall the message board litigation over "expect" in the EAP option description? The same people who are apologeticizing for Tesla here were the ones who said that the word "Expect" doesn't mean that you should expect anything. You cannot have it both ways.
I'm not really interested in seeing if you said it. You just popped up here after the title change. I don't know what you think words mean. But it seems to me that we don't mean the same things by them.Can you provide the quote where I said that?
It is not a fact that it is temporary until it is turned back on. Until that point it is INTENDED to be temporary or CLAIMED to be temporary or EXPECTED to be temporary. This is not a difficult distinction to grasp. It's not like I'm trying to weasel like saying that witless things aren't posted by witless people.That's exactly what temporarily implies and that word is forbidden.
It is not a fact that it is temporary until it is turned back on. Until that point it is INTENDED to be temporary or CLAIMED to be temporary or EXPECTED to be temporary. This is not a difficult distinction to grasp. It's not like I'm trying to weasel like saying that witless things aren't posted by witless people.