Luckily our distant ancestors didn't think like that or we'd still be in caves.
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[uk] UltraSonic Sensors removal/TV replacement performance
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don’t forget we didn’t need them for horses! Why for cars !
My car, ordered back in March before Tesla announced the demise of USS's I believe, was delivered last week without USS and without any notice from Tesla that the spec. of my car would be different to the one I ordered.
This annoys me more than the absence of parking assistance to be honest!
No. This Tesla FAQ says:
Most folk here are pre-emptively worrying as Tesla have removed components before. Albeit when a substitute was available.
MashinBenzin
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You must have missed my posts where I mentioned that most of these drawbacks were exactly what I expected, having been considering, looking at, and occasionally test driving Teslas for many years.
They’re decent EVs with two big advantages - the supercharger network and the amount of space the MY has for a small footprint. The stuff that the fan boys get excited about is largely toss, but as a Toyota-style easy car then they’re good.
I'd be interested to see an up to date view of what that's like on current cars. Mine is rubbish in exactly the situation you describe. Hard to believe it hasn't improved.
I don't think there is anything confirmed. At the moment I think there is no real need to drop existing USS support but who knows?
A couple of posts crossed mine.... Tesla would appear to have said they aren't dropping USS when installed, but IF they can get VO to equal USS, why not go with VO version on all cars?
Component shortage. Either stop fitting them or stop selling cars - Tesla took the first option.
I saw info about other manufacturers being effected etc, but as a matter of interest, did Tesla acknowledge supply issues or was it put down to product development / improvement?
I saw the same arguments about Radar but again got the impression that Tesla claimed it was all down to product improvement.
Yea, I haven't heard from anyone but here that its a component shortage issue. Tesla's other vehicles still have them.
Outside of that, over the last two years, we've seen Tesla deliver cars with missing components (that require owners to address post-delivery), so I'm not sure how USS would be any different (if it were a shortage.)
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Mr Puzzles
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Agree with a previous poster in the wet dark nights the rear camera isn't reliable, how TV will deal with it remains to be seen.
Chimpy McChimp
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Agreed. Went out last night and car was very wet with condensation. Had to get out and wipe cameras off. Never had to do that with multiple previous cars with reverse cameras/USS.
Don't get me wrong. I'm sure Tesla will figure this out. I just wish they had figured it out before removing the USS.
Drew57
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My opinion about USS after five years of family experience with this brand is that the company will do whatever it wants with little regard to others’ opinions. Conjecture about what may happen or with timescales is meaningless.
That behaviour is currently well represented elsewhere by the man driving both businesses.
That behaviour is currently well represented elsewhere by the man driving both businesses.
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Chimpy McChimp
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It's a shame. I really, really like this car. And so does Mrs. McChimp and she is hard to please
. If Tesla said the car had no USS but the vision based system was ready. We would be cool. But i was only told no USS when I asked specifically and that vision would be available once it reached 'performance parity'. That put a sour taste in my mouth frankly. Not enough to reject the car (for various reasons. Including current situation with timing/current cars/finance etc) . Like I said. We both love this car. But we feel a little.... Let down somehow.Hopefully. HOPEFULLY. TV comes soon and has indeed reached 'performance parity'. If it does. This will all be forgotten. If it doesn't..... Well the competition gets better every day.
In the case you describe where the camera is covered with condensation, there is no way that software can work around it. Similar in cases where there is glare from a setting sun (which the cars complain about already) or reversing light reflections off damp surfaces at night.
Machine learning and computer vision are not magic...
I would reject the car (or ask for a USS equipped one if available) if the wait for an alternative wasn't so long and we didn't need a larger car now.
Not for very long as Tesla announced they will be removed from the S and X next year.
I'm not sure how you get performance parity when there's no camera on the front bumper.. there's a huge blind spot there and trusting AI to guess at it doesn't fill me with confidence.
How will software and AI do the magic if it cannot see? Maybe if Tesla made the part of the glass heated it could remove some issues
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