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May 19, 2017
Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk said on Twitter Saturday that the company will move its headquarters and “future operations” out of California. Additionally, Tesla plans to file a lawsuit against Alameda County over a health order that shut down the Fremont, Calif. facility. Tesla planned to return to production on Friday, however Alameda County’s interim...
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Jul 12, 2012
You reap what you sow. California will run off most of it's working class and companies. It is hard to have sympathy for Musk though. California has been like this for a decade now. Hopefully he will move SpaceX out too! Bring it to Florida! We appreciate the business.

SpaceX is growing in Boca Chica, TX.

Besides, Florida probably has too many old people for his liking to want to go there.
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Two failed MCU's on a S40 & S70D; both at 84k.
Apr 1, 2013
Maybe Musk is mad that Gavin stopped lavishing him with praise in every press briefing? Ever since the 'those aren't really ventilators' embarrassment. Hope he doesn't calling Newsom a 'pedo guy'.

I feel bad for Grimes. She has two babies to feed now... one with milk, the other with ego.
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Sep 7, 2016
Orange County, CA
Maybe Musk is mad that Gavin stopped lavishing him with praise in every press briefing? Ever since the 'those aren't really ventilators' embarrassment. Hope he doesn't calling Newsom a 'pedo guy'.

#1- Newson claimed Tesla hadn't delivered any ventilators to hospitals in CA when Tesla actually had delivered ventilators to Hospitals who asked for them and confirmation from hospitals in CA saying they had been delivered. Musk went out and bought these ventilators in China and had them sent to CA at no cost to the state. Newson then turns around and kicks Musk in the balls. Not a great way to say thanks.

#2- A CPAP/BiPAP machine is a ventilator, just a non-invasive one. You have invasive and non-invasive ventilators. Musk had bought both types in China.


Nov 22, 2019
San Jose
California has been EXCEEDINGLY good to Tesla for a long time. California leaders (business and political) were supporting Tesla when it was a tiny little startup. There was Gov. Schwarzenegger at the original company launch in 2006, putting down a deposit for his own Tesla. There was Gov. Brown at the start of the factory. The investor community. The early adopters who bought Tesla cars. If Tesla had been based anywhere else the company would never have gotten off the ground. Texas? Texas would have murdered young Tesla in its cradle.

Now Tesla is a big company. California is friendly to little startups but not so friendly to big companies; we all know this. In the meantime, Elon has gone from a scrappy entrepreneur to a narcissistic billionaire industrialist. Threats, demands, insults, no sense of appreciation for what he's got or all the people he used in order to get it.


Sep 7, 2016
Orange County, CA
Fremont's been closed for 6 weeks and Dr. Erica Pan indicated they'd re-evaluate it in just a week. Elon's tantrum is crazy!

I wonder how the negotiations actually went? Was it basically one sided with no give on the counties part?

The CEO added that Tesla has been able to keep operating its castings foundry and other facilities in San Joaquin County, which located next to Alameda, despite the shelter-in-place orders.

No wonder Musk is frustrated if right next to the factory they can keep running producing castings.

Dr Pan would have been smarter to allow Tesla to open at reduced capacity, say only 20% employees allowed. With several inspections by county officials to make sure that social distancing was being maintained.


Nov 22, 2019
San Jose
Check out what actual Tesla employees think of Elon Musk. From Glassdoor:

Advice to Management

I was debating whether I approve of the CEO or not. On the one hand, he occasionally sends these excellent emails about business philosophy and avoiding siloing, wasteful meetings, and that managers are there to support their employees, not the other way around. 10/10 on that! When he leads an all-hands meeting, he usually has interesting things to say, especially if you can get him free-form thinking out loud during a Q&A session. On the other hand, he is a relentless micro-manager and singlehandedly derails production, reduces product quality, makes hundreds of people have to work much harder, and causes massive waste because he wants to see every little detail and change those details at literally the last minute. It’s grossly inefficient and is ruining the company bit by bit. My advice to management: The company would work much better if Elon was only an idea man, locked up safely in a room somewhere, with his hands completely off of operations."


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Dec 10, 2018
Atlanta, GA
I think the way negotiations actually went was that Elon got on the phone, started cussing and spewing conspiracy theories from the internet, and Dr. Pan's crew hung up the phone.

Elon is seriously hurting Tesla's case here.

If Tesla can make a case that they can partially (or fully) reopen their facilities, they should make the case and provide the plan.

If he thinks the local County is wrongly blocking that plan, he can appeal to the Governor or, possibly, to the State courts. Though the Governor is the right place.
The appeal should be based on the science and be supportable on public health grounds.

But ranting about the inadequate and unpopular suggestions of an unpopular President doesn't buy him a damn thing.

And there's no Constitutional angle here, as the USA has a long legal history with quarantines, especially from the 18th and 19th centuries.


Mar 12, 2020
I'd be upset too. The numbers say there is absolutely no reason Tesla can not produce cars. A virus with a 99.6% survival rate and we shut down and kill the entire economy. Far more people will die from the economy crashing than from this virus in the US. If he does sue and it makes it out of the 9th circuit he will win as all of these lock downs are un-constitutional. California is run by people who are not friendly to businesses but that's on Musk as the state has been that way for over two decades. He should move it to Texas.

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