blissdancer
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Umm the FUTURE operations do not exist in California (I can barely stop laughing) so they cannot be moved out of California. The reason for opening new plants outside of California is for distribution purposes.
Umm the FUTURE operations do not exist in California (I can barely stop laughing) so they cannot be moved out of California. The reason for opening new plants outside of California is for distribution purposes.
cpa
Active Member
Indeed. Tesla reaps what it sows.
Is there another virus that kills 80k plus within 8 wks?
Because that is where you have to go to be able to lower expenses by exploiting workers
AirKuhl
Member
After 20 years in tech in the Bay area, I moved to a "red state" and every single metric you listed is objectively better. Other than perhaps medical care since I lived near Stanford, but it's close.
Gross generalizations and divisiveness are the problem, not the solution.
TESLER2013
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WAIT.. haha do you even know where you are? Your profile says Santa Cruz Mountains, CA lol I don't think you moved yet.
Elon allows his hubris to get in the way of his point. He turns officials off because he can’t contain his swagger and won’t follow rules.
Well if I owned and was in charge of the Tesla Factory in Fremont CA I would be darn mad too just not acting like a fool but a very managed Professional in charge of a huge amount of people who trust you to do the right thing. He should move out of CA to TX since most manufacturers have left the State and the Governor cares less of what Automakers do in his state. Toyota left in 2017 for TX and it seemed no one cared or was worried about the outcome. One huge amount of taxes were lost!
Musk proves himself to be, just another billionaire, that cares more about collecting more money, for himself. Than caring about people and the planet. The shutdown is saving lives, Musk has proved that no billionaire gives a *sugar* about their workers.
But asymptomatic spreaders is the worst case scenario. Let assume 1 in 1000 will have symptoms. That means 999 are out there living their lives, going into stores, coffee places, work being contagious. All the while spreading the virus to others. And also unfortunately the incubation period is 5 to 9 days so more spreading. It would be better if the virus hit with major symptoms very quickly so people would would feel sick and stay home and not spread the disease. And in combination with a higher mortality rate, fast symptoms would let the virus burn out quickly
Brovane
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Musk probably cares more about the long term damage that humans are doing to the plane than actual people.
MorrisonHiker
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I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure. - Agent Smith, The Matrix
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I tried to explain the difference between quarantined and house arrest but no luck..
Brovane
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Get out the popcorn. Looks like Musk opened the factory anyway.
Personally I don't agree with this. It sounds like a agreement was in-place to open on May 18th. Musk should have given the county the additional week and had some additional patience.
Tesla has already started making cars again at its California factory
Personally I don't agree with this. It sounds like a agreement was in-place to open on May 18th. Musk should have given the county the additional week and had some additional patience.
Tesla has already started making cars again at its California factory
No, he will move the HQ, but that does depend on the reaction of his employees. I doubt they will close their offices in CA as they need to keep some or most workers who will not move. They will need to continue recruiting workers from Silicon Valley, especially their autopilot team.
The HQ move seems to be something that he's been contemplating for a while. The shutdown is the "straw that broke the camel's back" so to speak - high real estate prices, traffic, etc. Its not a threat - the HQ move is something unrelated to the shutdown.
I'm a bit shocked by all the California hate in this thread. I've lived in several states (including Texas and California) while working in high tech, and I'll take California over Texas any day of the week.
Reasons:
California has many more regulations about treating employees fairly. One reason manufacturers don't like the state.
The government cares about the environment, another reason manufacturers don't like the state.
There are endless opportunities for people willing work hard.
It has great beaches for the summer, and world class snow resorts in the winter.
It has wonderful people. I have the best neighbors I've ever had while in California. People care about others (even immigrants).
Unlike Texas, it's not a cultural desert.
California does have problems:
Housing is too expensive in the four large populations centers - Los Angeles, San Diego, Sacramento, the San Francisco bay area. Outside these areas, prices are not much different from Austin.
It does have a lot of homeless people. Not surprising - would you rather be homeless during the winter in Michigan (or another northern state) or California? Also, there are a lot of cities that will happily buy a homeless person a Greyhound bus ticket to California to get them out of their hair.
The streets are just fine, not dirty, except in the few areas where the homeless congregate - which also tend to be places where they can get money from tourists. I never see homeless people in my city.
Texas has problems also:
Health care for the poor is totally inadequate. In Texas, the worst disease known to health care is poverty.
If you aren't white, you have problems. My wife's parents are Chinese, and she was treated quite badly despite being born in the USA and having a masters from an Ivy League college. She was happy to leave.
Limited employment opportunities. I had to leave to advance my career.
The state will become unlivable due to global warming - more hurricanes, even more heat, and a government without plans.
Reasons:
California has many more regulations about treating employees fairly. One reason manufacturers don't like the state.
The government cares about the environment, another reason manufacturers don't like the state.
There are endless opportunities for people willing work hard.
It has great beaches for the summer, and world class snow resorts in the winter.
It has wonderful people. I have the best neighbors I've ever had while in California. People care about others (even immigrants).
Unlike Texas, it's not a cultural desert.
California does have problems:
Housing is too expensive in the four large populations centers - Los Angeles, San Diego, Sacramento, the San Francisco bay area. Outside these areas, prices are not much different from Austin.
It does have a lot of homeless people. Not surprising - would you rather be homeless during the winter in Michigan (or another northern state) or California? Also, there are a lot of cities that will happily buy a homeless person a Greyhound bus ticket to California to get them out of their hair.
The streets are just fine, not dirty, except in the few areas where the homeless congregate - which also tend to be places where they can get money from tourists. I never see homeless people in my city.
Texas has problems also:
Health care for the poor is totally inadequate. In Texas, the worst disease known to health care is poverty.
If you aren't white, you have problems. My wife's parents are Chinese, and she was treated quite badly despite being born in the USA and having a masters from an Ivy League college. She was happy to leave.
Limited employment opportunities. I had to leave to advance my career.
The state will become unlivable due to global warming - more hurricanes, even more heat, and a government without plans.
Georgia has been "open" for 3 weeks now. Keep in mind this is a red state full of red neck people that are too stupid to understand the severity of this virus. After 3 weeks of being open the virus has BOOMED... wait, no it is continuing to decline and is now very low. I would believe with all of the people in California being so much smarter the the red necks in Georgia they could open up too.
linux-works
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TESLER2013
Member
haha. I love this point. California is THE destination for homeless people. I'd come here too. Matter of fact, I'd choose Santa Cruz... nice..
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