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user212_nr

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I have personally worked on 10 ADU's in the last 4 four years. The state has been very clear that Nimys will not have a say any longer.

Okay... and when was that? The NIMBYs are at the local level, what the state says means little.

You build one or two new houses or multi-family units that is great... Years of economic retardation can't be fixed with some bandaids.
 

Scooby24

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Perhaps? Saving lives? And you aren't for it? lol

Shutting down is costing lives as well. The long term impacts from something like this are entirely unknown but likely to be long lasting. It was the right move at the onset and now is about the right time to be opening up. However, there is entirely too much room for interpretation that allows inconsistencies on how and when states/counties/cities open up. For competitors in different states this really opens up some imbalance. Especially in places like Alameda county where there is simply no justification for waiting another 3 weeks. My county opened a week later than the state, playing it safe. This week we are in phase 1. Our per capita number are much higher as far as death rate compared to Alameda county. Positive cases I won't count as Kansas is in literally last place for actually testing.

When the risk remains relatively low with critical care needs well under capacity, we need to be better managing the BALANCE of curbing the pandemic while supporting the needs of those not at risk. We've done a terrible job at that.
 

JoRey

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Okay... and when was that? The NIMBYs are at the local level, what the state says means little.

You build one or two new houses or multi-family units that is great... Years of economic retardation can't be fixed with some bandaids.
Well a couple of apartments. But, who's counting..... In reality. Many of the homeowners that have space. View it as a long term investment. As the project is going to cost them 150-250k to build the ADU in their property. But, not only does that increase the value of their homes. It also gives them a net income. That is returned to them after 8 Years. Depending on the area and size. It thus becomes a investment .

As I previously mentioned. Part of the issues stems from apartments going upscale and pricing many people out of the market and a influx of investors buying out homes during the last rescission.
 

Scooby24

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How? Explain.

I'll start with what I know and then move onto speculation.

What I know:
I'm in healthcare; an enterprise employee for a very, very large organization, with the large presence in CA. I'm specifically over Surgery so we've been addressing the COVID pandemic needs and planning for the operational and financial impacts. Surgery is the largest revenue generator for the Hospitals and we've reduced our volume by 75-90% by cancelling elective surgeries. This financial impact will hit the institutional healthcare effectiveness in several ways. First, fear. Patients are not addressing preventative care needs right now because either departments have delayed care or patients are fearful and avoiding it altogether. As we open back up we will especially encounter challenges with patients addressing their preventative (which turns into emergent and life threatening) needs because they don't feel safe. Second, costs. Our costs are going to skyrocket. If you think it was bad before...that was at volume. We were already struggling to subsidize non payors with payors. People are losing jobs and won't get them back...probably for a while. Insurance costs will become unaffordable and without jobs, folks aren't going to buy it. Lastly, resources. Rural communities are going to be especially hit hard but as the healthcare system starts to break up, facilities are going to end up financially insolvent. That will cost many lives, for many years to come.

Now...speculation:
Freakonomics is going to have a hell of a time with this. Honestly I was prepared to list all kinds of speculations but I don't really have the time or energy. I'll just leave this.
75,000 Americans at risk of dying from overdose or suicide due to coronavirus despair, group warns - CNN
 

Scooby24

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I don't mean to be an alarmist because I'm generally a "meh it'll all work out" kind of person, to my own detriment. I've been putting off my own fears and concerns about the red flags and warning signs I'm seeing in my own organization. We are all in reactionary mode right now and folks on my teams are doing their best to keep their heads down and keep busy planning for how to reopen...not thinking about what's going to happen when we do reopen. What I posted above I've not spoken about with anyone...these are just what I see in the numbers.

I did a quick google on my own concerns and it seems I'm not alone. This has me more than a little fearful for what the future holds.

Health care leaders discuss the financial impact of COVID-19 - State of Reform
 

SSedan

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Is there another virus that kills 80k plus within 8 wks?


If nobody had ever been exposed to the flu and it was brand new today, what do you think the result would be?

The flu's impact on society is dampened by herd immunity. In time so will Corona virus. Like the flu there will be additional strains from time to time.

This was the case from the day China's sloppy lab let it jump to people.

In the beginning politicians were honest about having to "flatten the curve", now some say they want an ever changing set of unreasonable metrics. If ok be is honest it is because some are just cowards about reality but some are out for political gain.
 
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linux-works

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basically, 'business' has not saved enough for a rainy day; and the hand-to-mouth worker certainly has not, either.

there are billionaires and there are governments; those are the 2 things that can help relieve this situation.

you can't count on the first, as they are not there for us, they are there for themselves. in theory (yeah) government is there for those 'really bad rainy days', where you need something that has huge funding to support those unseen calamities.

sadly, our government (the current admin) has robbed us blind; and even over the past several decades, we have let them rob us, year after year. 'lower taxes' is code for 'you little people dont really need a safety net, now do you?'

well, WE DO. even 'big business' is crying out for help.

uhm, socialism?

when the too-big-to-fail businesses actually do fail, gov comes in to bail them out. that's socialism, but not for people. and we refuse to call it that, for ... 'reasons'.

when people are climbing the walls (right about now) and freaking out about not being able to pay rent - the gov is doing essentially nothing to help other than defer rent payments, in some cases, in some states. actual income is not really granted by our government even though we have riches the rest of the world would only dream about. (narrator: we waste it and have been for decades on pet projects, including overspending on military).

we need to demand more of our government.

and we need to tell business that we can't keep bailing them out. THEY need to save for rainy days.
 

twinaviation

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California has been EXCEEDINGLY good to Tesla for a long time. California leaders (business and political) were supporting Tesla when it was a tiny little startup. There was Gov. Schwarzenegger at the original company launch in 2006, putting down a deposit for his own Tesla. There was Gov. Brown at the start of the factory. The investor community. The early adopters who bought Tesla cars. If Tesla had been based anywhere else the company would never have gotten off the ground. Texas? Texas would have murdered young Tesla in its cradle.

Now Tesla is a big company. California is friendly to little startups but not so friendly to big companies; we all know this. In the meantime, Elon has gone from a scrappy entrepreneur to a narcissistic billionaire industrialist. Threats, demands, insults, no sense of appreciation for what he's got or all the people he used in order to get it.


That is absolutely correct. He start acting like major Ahole.
 
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jeffro01

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Elon's insane. Tesla wouldn't exist without all of the things CA has done for it and to throw such a temper tantrum is so completely ridiculous... Sure, move to Texas... Throw away all of the money invested here in CA to spend it all over again there. Tesla can't even sell its cars completely in Texas and he wants to run there because they'll let him kill his workers without recourse?

As for me, I've canceled my Tesla Powerwall and CyberTruck orders and won't be getting another Tesla when my Model X lease is up if Elon is still running the show. If I could get out of my lease today I would but I can't so I'm stuck with it for now. The only real recourse anyone has is to vote with their wallets and I intend to do so. Tesla makes AMAZING cars, there's nothing like them out there, period. However, Elon is a whiny little B* who cares only about himself and how much money he can make. He's a conman who's fooled a lot of people into thinking he's some kind of climate saint or whatever, COVID-19 has shown his true colors.

Jeff
 

Scooby24

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MXLRplus

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... in theory (yeah) government is there for those 'really bad rainy days', where you need something that has huge funding to support those unseen calamities.
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You realize that you and I are both "Government". There is no magic. When the government writes a check, it comes out of our collective pockets.

I assume by your comments you have at least one year's worth of savings in a high-safety security? I do, but more people, especially young families do not.

When the government borrows money or prints more money or loans money they don't have, it devalues the money in your pocket. This is why I was upper-middle class at $12.50/hr, my first house was $64,000, and first new car was $5,900. Our government spending "adjusted" my finances.
 
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FreshPrince

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basically, 'business' has not saved enough for a rainy day; and the hand-to-mouth worker certainly has not, either.

there are billionaires and there are governments; those are the 2 things that can help relieve this situation.
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Things like pandemic pose undefined risk and cannot be managed by companies individually, therefore government should help unemployed and provide basic healthcare to all. It's unwise and unfair to expect business to care and provide for their unproductive workers while all their performance metrics are about profits.
 

FreshPrince

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Tesla makes AMAZING cars, there's nothing like them out there, period. However, Elon is a whiny little B* who cares only about himself and how much money he can make.
Jeff

Cognitive dissonance.

Tesla is here today because of crucial decisions that Musk had made. It's unfortunate that California cannot work with Tesla on safe reopening. Tesla is a special case, employing 10k workers, and Gov. Newsom should not have left it to Alameda county alone to deal with the logistics. Alameda gov obviously lacks the resources to handle it properly.
 
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Bucfan11

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Cognitive dissonance.

Tesla is here today because of crucial decisions that Musk had made. It's unfortunate that California cannot work with Tesla on safe reopening. Tesla is a special case, employing 10k workers, and Gov. Newsom should not have left it to Alameda county alone to deal with the logistics. Alameda gov obviously lacks the resources to handle it properly.
He left it to one mid-level employee to decide who gets to make a living and who does not. It should have at least been a committee with qualified people making the decision.
 

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