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Big Dog

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He left it to one mid-level employee to decide who gets to make a living and who does not. It should have at least been a committee with qualified people making the decision.

The Health honcho reports to the Board of Supervisors (n=5). They could over-rule her if they so choose. The fact that they don't means they must support her decision.

Gov. Newsom should not have left it to Alameda county alone to deal with the logistics.

The Gov made a brilliant political move. He can't be blamed either way. Win-win for his next election. (And make no mistake, he has aspirations of higher office.)
 
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vickh

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Cognitive dissonance.

Tesla is here today because of crucial decisions that Musk had made. It's unfortunate that California cannot work with Tesla on safe reopening. Tesla is a special case, employing 10k workers, and Gov. Newsom should not have left it to Alameda county alone to deal with the logistics. Alameda gov obviously lacks the resources to handle it properly.

+1

poster probably doesn't understand what Cognitive dissonance means
 
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vickh

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The Health honcho reports to the Board of Supervisors (n=5). They could over-rule her if they so choose. The fact that they don't means they must support her decision.



The Gov made a brilliant political move. He can't be blamed either way. Win-win for his next election. (And make no mistake, he has aspirations of higher office.)

Board of Supervisors were probably playing political moves too. the bureaucrat is protected since un-elected..
 

cali8484

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Cognitive dissonance.

Tesla is here today because of crucial decisions that Musk had made. It's unfortunate that California cannot work with Tesla on safe reopening. Tesla is a special case, employing 10k workers, and Gov. Newsom should not have left it to Alameda county alone to deal with the logistics. Alameda gov obviously lacks the resources to handle it properly.

Not really accurate. The county had already stated willing to work out a process with Tesla to reopen. It's Tesla that decided to blatantly violate a legal order. There is nothing wrong with liking Tesla cars and not the stupid antics by Musk. If Tesla is to prosper in the long term it must become independent of Musk. Much like Apple did with Jobs.
 

vickh

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Not really accurate. The county had already stated willing to work out a process with Tesla to reopen. It's Tesla that decided to blatantly violate a legal order. There is nothing wrong with liking Tesla cars and not the stupid antics by Musk. If Tesla is to prosper in the long term it must become independent of Musk. Much like Apple did with Jobs.

maybe you're forgetting the 1st post Jobs era. I could have bought apple stock for single digits if i was investing back then ;)
 
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Knightshade

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maybe you're forgetting the 1st post Jobs era. I could have bought apple stock for single digits if i was investing back then ;)


On the other hand if Jobs hadn't learned a lesson about how to act like an actual adult by being kicked out of his own company and having to go do stuff elsewhere, he probably doesn't come back later to vastly improve things.
 
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AdamVIP

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Nice try. The people are homeless because it is $3,000 per month for a 1 bedroom apartment at the very cheapest. Instead of opening up housing development, they tell employers to raise wages to a "living wage".

Its a 1-1 relationship between socialism and poverty all over the world.

PolitiFact - Dispelling myths about California’s homeless

"Martin cited a study from May 2018 by the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority, which found 75 percent of the people on the street in Los Angeles County had a home in that same county before they lost it. It also showed that 65 percent of the unsheltered homeless had lived in that county for at least 20 years. Only 13 percent were from out of state."

The people aren't on the street because rent is too high. People that can do a job move to an area that job can support. The people that are serial homeless in CA are 90% drug users or mental illness patients. They can't hold a job if they wanted one and a good portion don't want to live within the usual rules of society anyways. They need to be forced into treatment but there's no legal way to do that. They used to be able to coerced into rehab/treatment as a condition to avoid prison but since CA gutted the penalties for theft and most other felonies they are no longer an issue and they go right back into their drug and crazy cycle on the street.

I'm all for compassion but its not compassion to fuel that sort of life cycle. Its enabling them into self harm.

My anecdote is that I used to keep singles in my car to give to homeless. There was a guy I regularly passed and I would give him a buck when I saw him. One day he stopped coming around and I hadn't seen him in days. He was clearly not well when he was around and I can pretty well deduce he was a drug user. All I could think of was that he finally overdosed and it was probably using my dollar. I went around thinking I was at fault. He eventually showed back up again a month or so later but I stopped giving money out because I knew what he was using for and didn't want to feel that way again. If someone is outside an eatery I'll buy them food. I bought a sleeping bag once for a guy outside Big 5. I wont do cash anymore.
 

vickh

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On the other hand if Jobs hadn't learned a lesson about how to act like an actual adult by being kicked out of his own company and having to go do stuff elsewhere, he probably doesn't come back later to vastly improve things.

Fair enough. Both statements are true, rebel and the MBA type. Elon actually has both attributes, just that the rebel side sticks out. The press scrutiny is more than almost any other CEO I can think off. Jobs is the only one that came close.
 

X Fan

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The Health honcho reports to the Board of Supervisors (n=5). They could over-rule her if they so choose. The fact that they don't means they must support her decision.



The Gov made a brilliant political move. He can't be blamed either way. Win-win for his next election. (And make no mistake, he has aspirations of higher office.)

I'm not sure...these are different times & the lead from behind approach/not exerting a take charge position may bite him on the arse.....
 

vickh

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The people aren't on the street because rent is too high. People that can do a job move to an area that job can support. The people that are serial homeless in CA are 90% drug users or mental illness patients. They can't hold a job if they wanted one and a good portion don't want to live within the usual rules of society anyways. They need to be forced into treatment but there's no legal way to do that. They used to be able to coerced into rehab/treatment as a condition to avoid prison but since CA gutted the penalties for theft and most other felonies they are no longer an issue and they go right back into their drug and crazy cycle on the street.

I'm all for compassion but its not compassion to fuel that sort of life cycle. Its enabling them into self harm.

My anecdote is that I used to keep singles in my car to give to homeless. There was a guy I regularly passed and I would give him a buck when I saw him. One day he stopped coming around and I hadn't seen him in days. He was clearly not well when he was around and I can pretty well deduce he was a drug user. All I could think of was that he finally overdosed and it was probably using my dollar. I went around thinking I was at fault. He eventually showed back up again a month or so later but I stopped giving money out because I knew what he was using for and didn't want to feel that way again. If someone is outside an eatery I'll buy them food. I bought a sleeping bag once for a guy outside Big 5. I wont do cash anymore.


I guess CA doesn't have the Rent Is Too Damn High Party - Wikipedia

I agree. I walk by needles under a bridge by work sometimes. Better to get them institutional support. It does not really support them by giving cash, better to support/volunteer at a good charity.
 

ACA Man

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Not really accurate. The county had already stated willing to work out a process with Tesla to reopen. It's Tesla that decided to blatantly violate a legal order. There is nothing wrong with liking Tesla cars and not the stupid antics by Musk. If Tesla is to prosper in the long term it must become independent of Musk. Much like Apple did with Jobs.
Ditto.
 
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The people aren't on the street because rent is too high. People that can do a job move to an area that job can support. The people that are serial homeless in CA are 90% drug users or mental illness patients. They can't hold a job if they wanted one and a good portion don't want to live within the usual rules of society anyways. They need to be forced into treatment but there's no legal way to do that. They used to be able to coerced into rehab/treatment as a condition to avoid prison but since CA gutted the penalties for theft and most other felonies they are no longer an issue and they go right back into their drug and crazy cycle on the street.

I'm all for compassion but its not compassion to fuel that sort of life cycle. Its enabling them into self harm.

My anecdote is that I used to keep singles in my car to give to homeless. There was a guy I regularly passed and I would give him a buck when I saw him. One day he stopped coming around and I hadn't seen him in days. He was clearly not well when he was around and I can pretty well deduce he was a drug user. All I could think of was that he finally overdosed and it was probably using my dollar. I went around thinking I was at fault. He eventually showed back up again a month or so later but I stopped giving money out because I knew what he was using for and didn't want to feel that way again. If someone is outside an eatery I'll buy them food. I bought a sleeping bag once for a guy outside Big 5. I wont do cash anymore.

Likely, that fellow traded that sleeping bag for drugs. Just sayin.
 

aaron0k

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"By late next year, the new Texas factory would be producing Tesla’s new Cybertruck electric pickup." - Electrek 5/15

I wonder how the California EV treehugger types are feeling with about Elon's behavior lately?

Will there be Cybertruck cancellations?
 
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Dave EV

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I wonder how the California EV treehugger types are feeling with about Elon's behavior lately?
Nice trolling. :rolleyes:

Will there be Cybertruck cancellations?
Most "California EV treehugger types" would not get a Cybertruck unless they truly needed something with serious offroad capability or a pickup bed. Of those that need it, if there's no better option, I suspect they would still pick the best option - which in the medium term Tesla appears to be the only company on a serious track to produce a EV pickup.

On the other hand - there are other options for the Model 3 and Y that are pretty good. I wouldn't doubt for a second that a number of these "treehugger types" would take a harder look at those options because of Elon's antics.
 

aaron0k

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Nice trolling. :rolleyes:

I guess that depends on your perspective, however being called a troll in TMC forums anytime you don't bow to the Musk Monolith is par for the course... :cool:

Tesla superfandom becomes toxic, negative for electric revolution [op-ed] - Electrek 5/12/20

I think it's a legitimate question to discuss, completely relevant to the thread topic, and it is something I've heard from other invested Tesla/TSLA owners. Sorry if you don't agree.

Most "California EV treehugger types" would not get a Cybertruck unless they truly needed something with serious offroad capability or a pickup bed. Of those that need it, if there's no better option, I suspect they would still pick the best option - which in the medium term Tesla appears to be the only company on a serious track to produce a EV pickup.

On the other hand - there are other options for the Model 3 and Y that are pretty good. I wouldn't doubt for a second that a number of these "treehugger types" would take a harder look at those options because of Elon's antics.

I'll admit I've hugged a few trees myself.

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...and I'll admit I canceled my Cybertruck reservation today; keeping my Rivian reservation. Sounds like Texas and other pinkish areas will have their reservations fulfilled first.
 
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aaron0k

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Cancel culture is petulant BS

I wouldn't call consumer choice BS.

Elon doesn't like California's health restrictions; cancel CA for TX? #FREEDOM works both ways.

I'll will most likely keep the private membership at Mar-a-Lago. They make the best chocolate cake in the universe.
 
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