This is clearly directed at me, even though I wasn't directing my comments at you. I do plenty of nice disagreeing around here, and for that matter, nice agreeing. If you thought my comments were "mean," you have had a life surrounded in kindness. I'll say what I tell my kids constantly, which is that nobody likes to hear constant complaining. For most people, empathy is a finite resource. Some have a reserve vastly deeper than others, but complaining incessantly depletes those reserves. It was perhaps an overreaction to call people whiners. Personal labels aren't very nice, I agree. Peevish complaining is whining, though. So while some participants aren't whiners, there was some whining occurring here. Better? I agree completely that we should remain a civilized bunch. I don't think there's a risk of that changing, unless the user base changes significantly. I also think that we have to be careful when drawing parallels between the political climate and actions here or elsewhere. I see this done a lot these days, and the links are weak at best. If the discussion is political, then yes it can be divisive, but I see no evidence to support any change in attitude here relative to the politics of the day.