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Blog Tesla Workers Say Skipped Soft-Tooling Phase Ups Danger Inside 'Production Hell'

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  1. TMC Staff

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    Two pro-union workers from Tesla’s Fremont factory are speaking out about potential safety risks related to frantic efforts to hit production goals for the Model 3. Tesla CEO Elon Musk has said the company is entering “production hell.” With heightened stress at the factory, the two workers fear that excessive overtime will result in overworked,...
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  2. eye.surgeon

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    Thanks for this latest press release from the UAW plants at the factory.
     
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  3. anticitizen13.7

    anticitizen13.7 Enemy of the Status Quo

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    A one-sided article with speculation on whether use of computer simulations are a safety issue.

    This is so devoid of substance that it is bordering on being fake news.
     
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  4. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    Nope.

    No one would just start using newly delivered equipment without benchmarking it against the simulated tests, to ensure the testing was adequate. Totally agree this article is one-sided, devoid of real facts and just fud.
     
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  5. bkp_duke

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    Can we just get the UAW vote over with and shut these idiots up, like Nissan did?

    I love the "concept" of made in USA, but if Tesla goes union, I would be happy to see manufacturing move to say Canada.
     
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  6. TexasEV

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    I thought UAW controls the Canadian auto factories too.
     
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    "I think we ought'a take the men out of the loop."

    - John McKittrick
     
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  8. hockeythug

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    If it’s designed to operate with much human involvement there obviously won’t be much danger to workers as they won’t be around the robots while it’s running. A computer sim would be sufficient. No idea how much of it is currently that way. I know that’s the end goal though.
     
  9. McRat

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    Trying to throw spaghetti at the wall to see if it sticks. Nope. Keep

    I was UAW, and I can tell you that California UAW locals are subservient to the Michigan UAW locals and national UAW. If killing Tesla helps Detroit UAW contracts, those Cal organizers will be flipping burgers sooner than they think. The UAW owes nothing to California workers. That's why they killed the auto and aerospace industries here, to push production elsewhere.
     
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  10. SageBrush

    SageBrush 2018: Drain the Sewer

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    File under FUD
     
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    UAW used to represent Canadian workers. They now have their own union, the CAW, under the umbrella of Unifor. Still union. Tesla's best bet would be to locate a plant in a right-to-work state, which are now 28 out of the 50 states. I'm sure they'd be welcome with open arms in many states.
     
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  12. MXWing

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    So why is TMC spreading UAW propaganda?

    If the workers don't like it over in Fremont, they can move their ass to a UAW factory.

    Solution looking for a problem.
     
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  13. AnxietyRanger

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    Once again the UAW angle is used to merely dismiss the bit of news. While that is certainly very likely to be clouding the writing and adding drama to it, I think it is another data point in Tesla's approach.

    If accurate, it seems they skipped a trial related to testing the equipment before ordering the full setup? Instead opting to go ahead right to the full monty...

    After all, they also skipped a beta vehicle for Model 3, in an effort to streamline and speed up the process. That, I believe, they noted even by themselves.

    Now, put this on context on the ship early, finish and change later product manufacturing culture at Tesla and IMO it makes sense this skip could indeed have happened.

    Interesting point, then.

    The conjecture from that (both in the PR and on TMC) I tend to ignore. Too much bias to know whether or not it means anything regarding safety or the like.

    It is just an interesting data point IMO at this stage. Seems plausible it happened.

    Kudos to TMC Staff for reporting an unpopular topic.
     
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  14. McRat

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    Two reasons:
    • It's Tesla related news.
    • There is high % of socialist readers on this board.
     
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  15. anticitizen13.7

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    The problem with your argument is that the trial equipment skip and associated risks is not news. It's been known for MONTHS:

    https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN17Q0DE

    "Most automakers test a new model's production line by building vehicles with relatively cheap, prototype tools designed to be scrapped once they deliver doors that fit, body panels with the right shape and dashboards that don't have gaps or seams.

    Tesla, however, is skipping that preliminary step and ordering permanent, more expensive equipment as it races to launch its Model 3 sedan by a self-imposed volume production deadline of September, Musk told investors last month." - Reuters, April 24, 2017




    No, they published a one-sided story with agenda driven inuendo, and you fell for it.
     
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    The only thing I "fell" for seems to be not knowing this was reported earlier.

    Seems to me Tesla confirmed what I stated.
     
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    What % are socialists? Opinion isn't fact.
     
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    High is relative. Being ex-UAW after they killed off my workplace, 0.01% socialist is too high a percentage for me. :D
     
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    I imagine capitalists and socialists alike both like the concept of "at-will" employment.

    You don't like where you are working? Give the finger to your slaver overlords and go work somewhere else.

    People complaining about issues rather than finding out how to rise above them is the bane of progress.
     
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  20. MXWing

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    Computer simulations are used to build medical devices implanted into your body and evaluating the yield of both conventional and nuclear weapons.

    The use of computer simulation to build a car is -TRIVIAL- in comparison.
     

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