TeslaFi and other AWS and GCP clients currently blocked access to Tesla API

[jjrandorin]

These sites (at least TeslaFi, that's the only one I've used) do not extrapolate data or forecast battery degradation, nor do they draw explicit conclusions that there is a problem with the battery. It simply logs historical data and renders reports on it, straight from the car itself. It does correleate that data with other events and data that an individual user would not have access to or think to check, such as software versions and other cars of similar vintage and mileage. This lets the owner draw his or her own conclusions about whether they think something is out of the ordinary.

Everyone (should) know that batteries degrade over time, and in general the curve flattens out after the first year. However, there have already been cases where software updates have reduced range or capacity via voltage. This shows up pretty obviously when you're constantly logging the car's stats.

There are a few chicken littles out there that will think the sky/battery capacity is falling, but a lot of other people just want to know what their car is doing. I learned just how different the cold months are than the warm months, what a headwind can do to your range, and how to better plan long trips by knowing what the car will do.

There should be little need for people to be watchdogs of their own car's health, but when you have OTA updates, you need to be able to defend yourself with hard data and not "uhh, I don't think it used to be like this" if the car starts behaving differently after installation. This helps keep Tesla honest, as they'll have a much harder time gaslighting the owner by saying "looks normal to me" when your car is measurably different from others.

The battery degredation reports on teslafi are extrapolations / interpretations of data from the car. if you email teslafi and ask them what their "degradation" reports represent, they will tell you its interpretations of data from the car. Its the "renders reports on it" part that is the issue.

 

[bmah]

There are a few chicken littles out there that will think the sky/battery capacity is falling, but a lot of other people just want to know what their car is doing. I learned just how different the cold months are than the warm months, what a headwind can do to your range, and how to better plan long trips by knowing what the car will do.

There should be little need for people to be watchdogs of their own car's health, but when you have OTA updates, you need to be able to defend yourself with hard data and not "uhh, I don't think it used to be like this" if the car starts behaving differently after installation. This helps keep Tesla honest, as they'll have a much harder time gaslighting the owner by saying "looks normal to me" when your car is measurably different from others.

There are a few chicken littles out there with 85 packs who instantly lost 30 miles of range when they applied a specific software update last year, and they could not rely on Tesla to be forthcoming or truthful about the situation. It was only third-party solutions such as TeslaFi, SMT, etc. that they were able to discover anything close to the truth.

Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

This thread will absolutely not turn into another discussion of "batterygate", but I firmly believe that there is a place for third-party monitoring systems like TeslaFi, and they have a value far beyond just confusing naïve owners or making pretty pictures.

Bruce.

 

[jjrandorin]

There are a few chicken littles out there with 85 packs who instantly lost 30 miles of range when they applied a specific software update last year, and they could not rely on Tesla to be forthcoming or truthful about the situation. It was only third-party solutions such as TeslaFi, SMT, etc. that they were able to discover anything close to the truth.

Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software

This thread will absolutely not turn into another discussion of "batterygate", but I firmly believe that there is a place for third-party monitoring systems like TeslaFi, and they have a value far beyond just confusing naïve owners or making pretty pictures.

Bruce.

Thats fair, and I am not trying to turn the thread into that by any means. I was replying to a post which asked "are these third party apps an asset or hindrance to Tesla?" and my response was couched around my opinion on that specific question. if the question was "are these apps an asset or hindrance to end user customers?" I would have framed my response somewhat differently.

 

[DaveW]

Think GCP at least has been blocked again

 

[alien8]

My suspicion is they block automatically after some number of requests per given time. Maybe someone sees it as a security feature?

I run my own script to poll data from an AWS instance. That got blocked, unblocked and right now it is blocked again. From my home IP it works fine.

Elon, why? Where can I open a ticket with the software company Tesla? While we're at it: If I could download previous data I'd do one request a day only. Please, that would be awesome. Sure, make it part of the Premium subscription. Having metrics of my computer on wheels is something I'd appreciate.

 

[surrey_m3]

Think GCP at least has been blocked again

Same.. blocked now, on GCP

 

[DaveW]

Same.. blocked now, on GCP

Still working on Digital Ocean for now, easy enough to migrate, if you use a referral you get two months free, can post a guide on how to setup if needed

 

[surrey_m3]

Still working on Digital Ocean for now, easy enough to migrate, if you use a referral you get two months free, can post a guide on how to setup if needed

Appreciate the info, not doing much driving since covid (so not much info i'll miss being logged).. I can wait it out to see if it fixes itself otherwise will migrate to digitalocean in the coming week or so.

 

[DaveW]

Appreciate the info, not doing much driving since covid (so not much info i'll miss being logged).. I can wait it out to see if it fixes itself otherwise will migrate to digitalocean in the coming week or so.

No problem, it’s here: How to setup and run TeslaMate on a Digital Ocean Droplet server - TeslaEV.co.uk

When/if you need it

 

[pilotSteve]

Did this recent change also make access via VPN more restrictive? I have a VPN that has been connecting fine to my S90D but since the last update (2020.36.11) the iPhone app no longer connects to the car (just times out) with using VPN. Turned off VPN and it connected fine.

Previous to the most recent versions I had no problem using VPN. Coincidence or has anyone else experienced this?

(no other problems when using this VPN that I have ever found)

 

[MP3Mike]

Did this recent change also make access via VPN more restrictive? I have a VPN that has been connecting fine to my S90D but since the last update (2020.36.11) the iPhone app no longer connects to the car (just times out) with using VPN. Turned off VPN and it connected fine.

Previous to the most recent versions I had no problem using VPN. Coincidence or has anyone else experienced this?

(no other problems when using this VPN that I have ever found)

Recently Tesla has blocked cloud providers, AWS, GCP, Azure, etc, from accessing their API. Maybe your VPN goes through one of the blocked providers?

 

[pilotSteve]

Recently Tesla has blocked cloud providers, AWS, GCP, Azure, etc, from accessing their API. Maybe your VPN goes through one of the blocked providers?

Aha, yes. Its hosted on MS Azure I think. Mystery solved!

 

[doug]

So a year later, is this still an issue? Is Tesla still blocking AWS and other cloud providers?

 

[beatle]

I don't think I've had an issue with TeslaFi since the issue came and went last year.

 

[Roadrunner13]

So a year later, is this still an issue? Is Tesla still blocking AWS and other cloud providers?

I returned to GCloud In October 2020, about a month after they blocked it and I've been running it seamlessly since.
So looking good... for now

 

[techlogik]

Self hosted Teslamate on local home network working ok.