Tesla's Million Mile Battery technology around the corner.

[AzorAhai]

Tesla’s New Lithium-Ion Patent Brings Company Closer to Promised 1 Million-Mile Battery

So with this new technology seemingly around the corner, And the the older Batteries being seemingly being a nuisance to Tesla and disgruntled owners who are upset at the Batteries capacities and charged performance being Nuked in updates the past year.

What are the chances that Tesla charges to have these new batteries retrofitted onto your existing Pre-Raven Model S.

The battery packs have in the past being replaced under Warranty to higher capacity packs without much change or modification to the other components of the car. This Modularity was once a envisioned fast charging solution where you would have your battery packs replaced within minutes to "Fast Charge"

The new battery packs will Improve Efficiency, Energy Density, and quadruple the Life Cycles of the existing Li-Ion battery packs.

Would you pay $10,000 (Rough Estimate) to buy a new Tech Battery pack to upgrade your Battery and range to 400 Miles?

 

[SageBrush]

being seemingly

I stopped reading there

 

[webbah]

I think you are far short of what they might charge for such an upgrade if they even do. Take the Roadster 3.0 upgrade, for example, that costs $29,000.

 

[SageBrush]

Take the Roadster 3.0 upgrade, for example, that costs $29,000.

For a hand-built battery, produced at a rate of 2 - 5 a week, installed by hand over a couple of days at a local service center after transport from Fremont.

You might as well extrapolate the cost of a Ford Focus based on the cost of a Lambo

 

[webbah]

For a hand-built battery, produced at a rate of 2 - 5 a week, installed by hand over a couple of days at a local service center after transport from Fremont.

You might as well extrapolate the cost of a Ford Focus based on the cost of a Lambo

All true, however I stand by my point that I seriously doubt you will manage this upgrade for $10K.

 

[SageBrush]

All true, however I stand by my point that I seriously doubt you will manage this upgrade for $10K.

Your point mentioned $29k, now I see you are re-positioning at $10k.

Good movement of the goal-posts; reduction of $250 per kWh in one post. Even Tesla does not innovate that fast.

 

[AzorAhai]

All true, however I stand by my point that I seriously doubt you will manage this upgrade for $10K.

I've seen estimates in 2019 of 14K to 18K for Tesla to replace. The assumption is that the Cost to produce the batteries is going to continue to go down.

And My initial price targets are coming from the man himself...

Tesla Puts Price on Model 3 Battery Module Replacement Around $5000-$7000

 

[webbah]

Your point mentioned $29k, now I see you are re-positioning at $10k.

Good movement of the goal-posts; reduction of $250 per kWh in one post. Even Tesla does not innovate that fast.

I didn’t move any goal posts. I made a reference to an available price for the Roadster upgrade, and mentioned that I think you are quite a bit off on your estimate of $10K. I stand by that.

 

[SageBrush]

I've seen estimates in 2019 of 14K to 18K for Tesla to replace. The assumption is that the Cost to produce the batteries is going to continue to go down.

And My initial price targets are coming from the man himself...

Tesla Puts Price on Model 3 Battery Module Replacement Around $5000-$7000

$5k - 7k, depending on how many modules require replacement.
IIRC the Model 3 has three modules.

 

[webbah]

I've seen estimates in 2019 of 14K to 18K for Tesla to replace. The assumption is that the Cost to produce the batteries is going to continue to go down.

And My initial price targets are coming from the man himself...

Tesla Puts Price on Model 3 Battery Module Replacement Around $5000-$7000

There are multiple battery modules to complete an entire pack.

 

[webbah]

$5k - 7k, depending on how many modules require replacement.
IIRC the Model 3 has three modules.

Et voila, 3 modules at 5-7K each would be 15-21K. 50-100% higher than 10K.

 

[AzorAhai]

OK I've adjusted the targets in the Poll, But the Question still stands, For us Pre-HW3 Model S /X owners who are having their range and Supercharging speeds throttled, Tesla is doing that to prolong Battery life and ensure that these batteries last through the Warranty period.

As the first 2012 Model S start expiring on their Battery/ Power-train Warranties, there has to be a market for "refreshed" battery technology that remove the unwanted Charging throttling and increase the Range of their cars even above the original purchased range.

With so many different battery technologies out there, What is stopping companies from taking their own battery technology and creating battery alternatives to Tesla. The patents are open source. Other companies could theoretically make Tesla Battery packs that would work in the car because everything that is required to make them work are available for any manufacturer to see.

A Spanish company develops a battery with an autonomy of 800 kilometers | Graphenano Nanotechnologies

Imagine the aftermarket capabilities.

And hell if an aftermarket company comes out with a better solution than what Tesla did on their own, Tesla will surely buy them out and make their solution their own.

 

[T.R.T.e.s.l.a.]

OK I've adjusted the targets in the Poll, But the Question still stands, For us Pre-HW3 Model S /X owners who are having their range and Supercharging speeds throttled, Tesla is doing that to prolong Battery life and ensure that these batteries last through the Warranty period.

As the first 2012 Model S start expiring on their Battery/ Power-train Warranties, there has to be a market for "refreshed" battery technology that remove the unwanted Charging throttling and increase the Range of their cars even above the original purchased range.

With so many different battery technologies out there, What is stopping companies from taking their own battery technology and creating battery alternatives to Tesla. The patents are open source. Other companies could theoretically make Tesla Battery packs that would work in the car because everything that is required to make them work are available for any manufacturer to see.

A Spanish company develops a battery with an autonomy of 800 kilometers | Graphenano Nanotechnologies

Imagine the aftermarket capabilities.

And hell if an aftermarket company comes out with a better solution than what Tesla did on their own, Tesla will surely buy them out and make their solution their own.

If this would come real in not a looooooong time, i would certainly pay up to 10.000 to put a 800 km range battery on my S85.

 

[yobigd20]

didn't tesla just update their warranty 2 weeks ago and get rid of the unlimited miles? now they limit battery warranty on new cars to 150k miles. so much for that million miles...

 

[XLR82XS]

Tesla’s New Lithium-Ion Patent Brings Company Closer to Promised 1 Million-Mile Battery

Would you pay $10,000 (Rough Estimate) to buy a new Tech Battery pack to upgrade your Battery and range to 400 Miles?

Model S long-range is currently almost 400 miles. I would not pay to have a battery pack replaced. Let's see what's in the pipeline with the acquisition of Maxwell.