Alexander
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Just from a production stand point, I don't see the regular 85 being something that Tesla would want to keep producing. If the 70's are mandatory Dual Motors then I see the 85's becoming mandatory D's too.
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This is the dilemma for Tesla with rolling out constant improvements. Tesla most definitely has a progression plan. They are trying to walk the fence in rolling these out while at the same time not alienate recent purchasers. Thus they need to take incremental baby steps with the updates, even if they have the technical ability to do it faster. I do not fault Tesla for this, and as others have already said, if you looking for the final improvement in a Tesla, you will never buy one.As a new S85D owner, I can certainly add a little here, though, if you read this thread carefully I am really not adding much new to this thread; it has been a great discussion.
I wondered and felt remorse when the 70D came out. Maybe I should have gotten it (not really a choice, I had my car).
I would have save $10k (I told myself).....
Dude, you live in Montreal - YOU NEED AWD!
I imagine the S85 will stay put simply due to extra frunk space.
I think people are overlooking the power difference. 70D is almost 1 sec slower than the 85D for the 0-60. Remember when people paid 15k more for P85 over the 85? That was just for more power and no additional range! 10k for an additional 15kwh and 1sec faster is worth 10k in my opinion.
Even the 85D only offers 30 miles more range and a bit more acceleration for $10K more, not a terrific value.... Thoughts?
Considering a used 85 costs way less than a new 70D, i don't see how it doesn't make sense lol
So the 70 makes more more sense when it comes to years down the road and that may be one of the reasons that the 60 is gone for good. Tesla may be thinking long term and not wanting a bunch of low range cars out there after accounting for battery degradation. Upping it just a bit perhaps does wonders for preventing degradation, after looking at the research much of which is relatively new. So when comparing a 70 to an 85, the 85 allows for a lower state of charge, and less cycling, making it a better choice in the long term, especially if you plan to keep your car for many years.
I was also struggling between the 70D and the 85D (similarly equipped) and if the $10k was worth it [for me].
I looked at the range question from a different perspective:
-$10k difference is about $100-$150 per month payment difference
-The only time I'd need the additional range is for road trips (my daily commute is manageable in either car).
-We do at most 1 "road trip" per month, usually once every 2 months. If it comes down to range, it'd be cheaper to pay for gas in my wife's SUV than to pay an extra $100-$150 every month.
Good way to look at it. I like this perspective.
Two factors missing from your battery life analysis tend to lessen the difference that you predict:
1. 70D EPA tested at 244mi range, but Tesla calls it 240, so the true EPA range difference vs an 85 is only 21mi instead of 25.....
Tesla newsletter e-mail I just got for the 70D says "0-60 time of 5.2 seconds and a 250 mile range at 65 mph"
15 mi difference
Davidc18, what finally made you decide on the 85D over the 70D? Did you go with less options or just gulp down the additional $10k?
I'm in the same boat so would appreciate your insight.