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The bet is on; $1M says the Model S will be on time

Discussion in 'Tesla Motors' started by mpt, Aug 26, 2011.

  1. mpt

    mpt Electrics are back

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    A friendly bet between Journalist Dan Neil and Elon Musk has escalated into a brilliant wager; Elon says the Model S will ship by the end of 2012 or,

    However, there are conditions, full story at:

    Betting Tesla's Elon Musk $1 Million, Dan Neil Hopes To Lose

    {Source: John Voelcker - Green Car Reports}
     
  2. smorgasbord

    smorgasbord Active Member

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    Is that a typo? I thought the 300 mile version was $77,400? Or do we now have a price for the Signature Series?
     
  3. AnOutsider

    AnOutsider S532 # XS27

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    hoping that's a typo, else sigs may be even higher
     
  4. Slackjaw

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    I wouldn't be too surprised if (a) Elon wins the bet and (b) he makes the donation anyway. It would be a delicious PR coup, and let's face it, lots of Tesla customers are doctors. Wouldn't want to disappoint them... :biggrin:
     
  5. mpt

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    I agree; that'd be a fantastic outcome.
     
  6. TEG

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    Maybe it is a "wow look at the $1million and don't pay attention to the little details?"

    This caught my eye too:
    Contrast that to this:
    Tesla Says Model S Is Being Designed for Rapid Battery Swaps - AutoObserver
    Why say that a 4-star wins the bet too?
     
  7. Joseph

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    Has there ever been such an audacious bet in automotive history??? Seriously. This is unheard of!
     
  8. ckessel

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    Elon noted in the 2nd quarter numbers call that the 2012 crash ratings raised the bar significantly. No car has, yet, passed the 2012 ratings with 5-stars across the board. Elon has said 5-star across the board is his goal and they think they can make it, but I can see why he wouldn't want to set that bar. For example, a 4-star on top crush may be more than fine for a low, stable sedan vs. something more roll over prone like an SUV.
     
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    #9 TEG, Aug 29, 2011
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    Traderhood Tesla ER
    The target group Model S, future green fashion, care about your family.
    Tesla showing strong growth, huge losses, amid best quarter in their history - National Green Transportation | Examiner.com
     
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    #11 ckessel, Aug 29, 2011
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    Right, but those were before the 2012 crash ratings. The first link is to a 2010 report. I have no idea when the image link was done, but presumably also well before the 2012 ratings. If you want to be pedantic, you could say it'll have 5-star ratings against pre-2012 standards.

    In the call (or some interview shortly thereafter related to it, can't recall), Elon talked about it specifically saying they fell just short in the alpha model crash tests and they think with some tweaking they'll make the 2012 ratings across the board. There were some wiggle words about not going nuts on cost for it though.
     
  12. Iz

    Iz EVs are here to stay

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    Price was corrected.

     
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    #13 JRod0802, Aug 29, 2011
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    Hasn't the 2012 Kia Optima?

    2012 Kia Optima 4 DR FWD | Safercar -- NHTSA

    Or am I missing something?

    Edit:
    Upon further inspection, it seems that each category is subdivided into a few different tests. The side crash rating was given a 5-star over all, but not every specific test was given 5-star, so I guess the Optima didn't get a 5-star rating in every test.

    I double checked the entire US database, and no 2012 car has 5 stars across the board (yet).
     
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    Norbert TSLA will win

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    If the alphas almost got to the 5 star rating on all counts, then they probably have 4 stars as the lowest count. Although achieving top safety, with a 5 star rating, is surely more important than winning the bet, I guess in regard to that, the only open question (except for surprises) might be manufacturing.

    I think the article (and the bet itself) shows that there is still a lot of skepticism about the Model S (and the near-future feasibility of long-range EVs in general).
     
  16. TEG

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    Getting a 5-star overall is impressive.
    Getting a (blended) 5-star on those different categories is even more impressive.
    Getting a 5-star on every single test might be nearly impossible.
    (But if Tesla aims to make the Model S "The safest car on the road...")
     
  17. Larry Chanin

    Larry Chanin Model S Perf Sig 1055

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    Hi,

    It looks like Elon is willing to make the donation, but it doesn't appear to be a bet anymore.

    Charity will be big winner of Tesla bet

    Larry
     
  18. doug

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    The obvious outcome was always that Elon would give the money regardless. Certainly takes the air out of it, though.
     
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    Yeah, I wonder if that means they foresee not meeting one of the criteria.
     
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    Any updates on this friendly wager?
     

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