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The deal breaker...

Discussion in 'Model S' started by tdelta1000, May 5, 2011.

  1. tdelta1000

    tdelta1000 Active Member

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    Question, what would be the deal breaker for you and the Model S? or what is the one thing that would make you walk away from the Model S if pricing was not an issue? It would be interesting to read your comments.

    As for me... the deal breaker would be Tesla Motors dropping its center touch screen console or a drop in battery range (50 mile or greater across the already stated ranges).
     
  2. ChadS

    ChadS Petroleum is for sissies

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    I suspect there will be a significant drop in range once the EPA gets a hold of it. But Tesla will probably stick to their number. Both numbers will be "right", it just depends if you want the number to tell you best case or worst case. :)

    The DC Fast Charge port could be a deal breaker. The Model S will be my car for long trips. Many CHAdeMO/TEPCO stations are being installed this summer on the West coast (two are already in). Tesla won't say what port they will use. But I won't buy a trip car that can't use existing DC Fast chargers. I don't see how the SAE's alternative could be ready in time for the Model S anyway. I wish Tesla would just commit...
     
  3. strider

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    Well, my wife is going back and forth on whether she wants to drive a "car". She currently drives a biodiesel Jeep Liberty and likes the tall vantage point. So at this point we're going to wait and drive a Model S and RAV-4 EV and see which one she likes better. We may even wait for the SUV body on the Model S chassis.

    So, nothing Tesla can do - just dealing w/ personal preferences.
     
  4. William13

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    I won't buy the car if they don't make it. ;)
     
  5. gg_got_a_tesla

    gg_got_a_tesla Model S: VIN P65513, Model 3 Res Holder

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    Center touch screen console for me too (with free lifetime 3G/4G access?! :smile:). If that's either dropped entirely or isn't provided as part of the base Model S price, I'd be terribly disappointed.

    Fine with the range fluctuations as I'd be using it mostly for my ~50 mile roundtrip daily commute and the occasional < 100 mile weekend expeditions.

    Oh, if the betas / test drive cars don't drive and handle like say, a 5-series BMW, I cannot justify to myself paying that price despite my "green heart"! I don't want an overpriced and oversized golf cart! :eek:
     
  6. Eberhard

    Eberhard #421 Model S #S32

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    If Model S doesn't support AC-3-phase with at least 32A - i will cancel my order.
     
  7. widodh

    widodh Model S R231 EU

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    Same for me, without 3-phase this car would be almost useless in Europe.
     
  8. jkirkebo

    jkirkebo Model S P85+ VIN 14420 EU

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    I live in Norway and do not care much for 3-phase charging, 16A 230V single phase will be enough for home charging for me.
    A CHAdeMO port though is a must-have. No go without it.
    Also I do want cloth interior and a hitch, if I can get neither I might reconsider.
     
  9. markwj

    markwj Moderator, Asia Pacific

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    March 2014 delivery deadline. That is when the tax incentives here in Hong Kong expire (assuming they are not renewed), and price of car doubles.
     
  10. Arnold Panz

    Arnold Panz Model Sig 304, VIN 542

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    Maybe not a dealbreaker, but I definitely want to get those two jump seats in the back so it can seat seven. I've got 3 young kids, and with friends and such I need to have the ability to drive more than 5 people around at times.

    Oh, and if they added an ICE a la Fisker or the Volt to help charge the battery :tongue:
     
  11. howabout2

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    I will be very disappointed if the options and option packages are linked to the battery pack tier. Will I walk away from it? No, probably not.

    But just because I don't need or want a 300-mile battery pack does not have anything to do with my desire for all of the other options.

    I understand it's too early for these matters to have been decided, and therefore no one at Tesla that I've asked can answer my inquiries. But since you asked, this is definitely the thing about which I am most uncertain and worried. To me there would be no reason to limit options by battery pack tier, but this is the auto industry we're talking about. "Oh, you want the sport package? That's only available on the V8." Tesla, prove that you're above that, please.
     
  12. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    If they added an ICE, that would be the deal breaker for me.
     
  13. ckessel

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    That seems unlikely. Tesla has Sig versions will come in all battery pack sizes (just later on, after the 300s), so at least for Sigs luxury options aren't tied to the battery size.
     
  14. erichmond

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    I was at the preview of the car in Portland. Loved the looks but I was just surprised how big, especially how wide it is. I know it's trying to "compete" with 5 series Bimmer, but it is much bigger. I hate to say it, because I've had a deposit since the first day they were accepting them, but after seeing the size of the car, I'm thinking of not getting it. Did any one else whose seen the car have this impression that it's really a large car. More like a S series Mercedes, A8, or 7 series BMW.
     
  15. richkae

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    I agree. Just saw the Model S in Seattle. The size is the biggest negative. I would prefer something slightly less huge.
     
  16. ahimberg

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    I checked out the S in Seattle too, looks much nicer in person than the pictures. Only deal breaker for my reservation is if I can't get it leather-free
     
  17. widodh

    widodh Model S R231 EU

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    That's my biggest concern as well. I hope to see the car in Frankfurt (IAA) in September, but when checking the specs I was like: Wow!

    Driving with such a car through the old city centres would be a ..... challenge, don't even start about parking it in the tiny parking spaces we have here.
     
  18. gg_got_a_tesla

    gg_got_a_tesla Model S: VIN P65513, Model 3 Res Holder

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    Sorry if we are going OT here but, if size could be a deal-breaker, then, here's a comparison - doesn't look that much bigger than a 528i; about 3" longer and maybe, an inch or two wider while compensating for the side mirrors?!

    My guess is the massive hatch makes it "look" much larger but, maybe, it's really not?!

    BMW 528i

    Overall Length (in) 193.1 (so, 16' 1.1")
    Overall Width (in) 73.2 (so, 6' 1.2" without side mirrors)
    Overall Height (in) 57.6
    Wheelbase (in) 116.9

    Model S

    Overall length 16’4" (4973 mm)
    Overall height 4’8" (1426 mm)
    Overall width with mirrors 7’2" (2189 mm)
     
  19. Model S_HKG

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    Same with Mark!
     
  20. Cobos

    Cobos S60 owner since 2013

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    For me it's hard to exclude price because the price is so high. In other words the price is high enough to really stretch my budget and hence I'm a lot less willing to accept compromises to what I think is a perfect car.
    Hitch option, as well as size (too big) is two big issues for me.

    Cobos
     

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