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I like this. Sort of a "if a tree falls in the woods" approach.:smile:MLIt is noticable if you are looking at it.
David
Todd,
The whole P85 to P85+ to S85 (coil spring) suspension thing is a huge can of worms. I thought for sure I would have concrete finite conclusions about the three different options but have found the situation is not so simple. For instance, I love the stiffer bushings in the rear as they removed a great deal of the squishiness that bothered me so much with my P85. However, I really dislike the head snap that comes from those thick sway bars. I then pick up my wife's coil spring car and find that it is as stiff as my + in bump but has all the looseness of the non-+ bushings. Some of that stiffness could be related to the newness of the dampers so I will need to get a few hundred more miles on the car to be certain but I'm really starting to scratch my head.
I love the support provided by the coil springs. I've always HATED MB air. Tesla's is much better than the MB system but I did not realize how its transient support was lacking until I drove my wife's S85. I am beginning to think the very best solution may be + lower a-arms, camber adjusting upper links (ball bearing like on my P85+ or using + bushings) and a set of custom Eibach progressive springs. My gut tells me this would provide that instant M5 like response without all the head tossing drama of the + package. it would also allow me to set a more reasonable ride height for the coil spring cars. Combine that with a light weight set of (20"?) rims with good quality tires and I think you would have a killer package.
The problem here is one of divorce. My wife is going to take a dim view of her car up on jack stands out at my hangar while I start ripping suspension bits off and trying things. I can hear it now.... "So you bought that expensive fancy handling package and now you want to experiment with my car?".... and she would be right. Perhaps I'll just order in some stock springs as a reference for some custom wound units along with the a-arms. If I can get it all in one place it will only take a day to swap everything over. I know I should not mess with her car but this will drive me nuts if I do not at least look into it.
My gut also tells me a coil S85 with four thousand in bits could be the absolute best driver's car value. Sure, it will get killed in a straight line by a P85 but otherwise will be the perfect balance of handling, feel and overall cost. Again, this is just my gut but my intuition has been very good to me in the past
Lola, man you temptress you! Yes this is what I'd love to do with my sig S85!!!!Todd,
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My gut also tells me a coil S85 with four thousand in bits could be the absolute best driver's car value. Sure, it will get killed in a straight line by a P85 but otherwise will be the perfect balance of handling, feel and overall cost. Again, this is just my gut but my intuition has been very good to me in the past
To be clear, I really do not have a problem with the lifting frunk per se. I was just passing along feedback to the factory (who is obviously looking into the frunk as a whole given the changes in sheet metal thickness) and was curious if anyone else was seeing the things I was. I most certainly do not want to turn any of the cars back over to the SC to address the issue. I've been on the receiving end of those requests and know there really are only two options. Manually brute force twist the lid or replace it. I'm not up for either and it is really not a bid deal for me.
As for the suspension, I really am screwed here. I'm 99% sure there is a real animal locked up in a coil spring'd MS. I am a huge fan of the M5 and am reasonably sure a properly rubbed on coil spring MS can be every bit an M5 and perhaps a little better feeling given the MS' chassis stiffness. To be clear, it will never have the M5's lateral grip unless someone is interested in fender flairs and huge meats but that is really not a concern for me. I'm looking for the day to day feel to be there for me.
Lastly, I've now had several opportunities to drive my wife's and my car on the same day. Sure, my P85 will kill her S85 out of the hole but I really do not spend a lot of time "hole shot'n" my 4600lb daily driver. Apart from the neck snapping launch of the P85 and subsequent 60 foot times, the two cars are similarly fun to drive. This makes mucking with her suspension that much more "necessary".
Oh, and I hate those stepper motors on the tops of Ferrari dampers. The cars have been reasonably reliable for me by I have had to replace several of those assemblies and, the last time I did it, I had to replace the whole damper because they were not selling the top bits any more
On delivery mine had visible misalignment on passenger side, with larger gap there and quite visible by eye (no need to feel it), so I added it to due bill. In meantime I have inspected it and decided it is not an easy adjustment as none of the bumpers will fix it. Also I have surveyed many Model S's where they conglomerate like supercharger stations and service centers. Nearly all of them, even new ones, have the same defect (passenger side lift on leading edge). In fact, the same misalignment is captured in some of TM's press photos -- see this one which matches my case well. http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/model-s-signature-red-motion_1920x1200.jpg (Hi-resolution version which you can zoom to see details).
To be clear, I really do not have a problem with the lifting frunk per se. I was just passing along feedback to the factory (who is obviously looking into the frunk as a whole given the changes in sheet metal thickness) and was curious if anyone else was seeing the things I was. I most certainly do not want to turn any of the cars back over to the SC to address the issue. I've been on the receiving end of those requests and know there really are only two options. Manually brute force twist the lid or replace it. I'm not up for either and it is really not a bid deal for me.
Manager also told me "all" the cars from the factory have the same misalignment as mine, extra gap on passenger side. .
This is what's frustrating to hear--if they know about it at the factory, then fix it THERE and not ship with the gap. Just doesn't make sense to me. Oh well.
Has anyone else had issues with the leading edge of the funk lid lifting on driver's left?