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"The Hidden Workforce Expanding Tesla's Factory"

Discussion in 'Tesla Motors' started by arnolddeleon, May 15, 2016.

  1. arnolddeleon

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    "The automaker’s urgent upgrade of its Fremont facility benefited from cheap, imported workers, but did the companies involved flout visa and labor laws?"

    The Hidden Workforce Expanding Tesla's Factory

    There are enough layers that I suspect Tesla doesn't have legal responsibility. I sure hope there weren't nod and winks that allowed this to happen.

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    #2 hockeythug, May 16, 2016
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    Union sponsored hit piece.
     
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    #3 Vitold, May 16, 2016
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    It's a good read. It's not really about Tesla but highlights outsourcing practices in general. Here's a quote:

    "Recruited by a small Slovenian company called ISM Vuzem, Lesnik, 42, and his co-workers were flown into the U.S. for months at a time,"

    While foreign workers can obtain B1 visas for supervisory duties, the workers at the Tesla plant were simply installing pipes and welding parts — hands-on work banned by the terms of their visas, according to immigration experts and court documents. Workers interviewed by this news organization said they have worked on jobs under similar arrangements around the country. "
     
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    Do you believe the unions made up the claim that these workers were getting paid $5 an hour?

    Is that what you are going with?
     
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    Let me requote the statement you quoted: 'Union sponsored hit piece.'

    Nothing in there about unions making up the claim. Sponsored means to introduce and/or support or provide funds for, etc...
     
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    #6 Drivin, May 16, 2016
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    distract the message by making allegations about the alleged supporter of the messenger

    Not sure how reporting facts is automatically a hit piece. Hit pieces usually are editorial and opinion based and light on facts.
     
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    #8 Skotty, May 16, 2016
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    It's just good conservative policy and in the best interest of the shareholders for Tesla to not pay more than is prudent for the labor to do a job. If there were any labor law violations it will fall on the company contracted to the do the job.

    However, conservative Tesla haters will be happy to know that in Tesla's official response, Tesla noted morality is at play as well, and that Tesla pays well in the automotive sector; these claims can be used to continue the narrative that Tesla is a gluttonous hippy socialist government leaning company that deals in luxury contraband to rich robber barons.
     
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    Very well-done official response. Let's hope follow-through follows through.
    Robin
     
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  11. arnolddeleon

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    Yes! Pretty much what I hoped for. I also hope the follow through happens.

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    Oh, the irony.
     
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    If article wanted to be accurate it would be about Eisenman and many manufacturers that contract with them - not just Tesla.
     
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    One of the consequences of working with Tesla is that your company can get involved in the obsessive scrutiny that Tesla endures on a weekly basis.

    Obscure, specialist companies that most people would normally never hear of, such as Hoerbiger and ISM Vuzem can suddenly find themselves in the, er, limelight.
     
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    So you are stating that the article is inaccurate

    Ok. Then you need to contact Elon asap since they are responding to this inaccurate article.
     
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    #16 Vitold, May 17, 2016
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    Yes, the article does not accurately describe situation and misidentifies the culprit. Also, I would not be surprised if they used very creative math to arrive at $5/hour (as Tesla alluded in their response).
     
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    According to another article Tesla was dismayed from this compensation suit.

    So the time to follow through was when that suit first came up not when the press decides to publicize the issue.

    But maybe no one in tesla legal department told anyone else they were being sued.

    Better late than never.
     
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    Legally Tesla is obligated to do nothing. In their reply they take moral high ground which should be applauded as long as it's not just empty talk.
     
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    Correct. The article was only written because the Alameda Labor Council has an axe to grind with Tesla hiring non-union contractors and subcontractors. Multiple references were made to what the union wage is for similar work and estimates on how much money was lost locally.
     
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    Tesla's close connection to the story is definitely going to get the Mercury News more clicks/views than a story that is just about the core issue: abuse of the B1/B2 visa system.

    The real problem, explained in the article, is that companies are lying about the type of work that B1/B2 visa holders are actually going to be doing while in the U.S. Mr. Lesnik, the injured worker, was categorized as a supervisor, when in reality he was working in a physical construction role.

    The article also highlights the problem of the government either being ill-equipped to enforce the law governing B1/B2 visas, or turning a blind eye for fear that other countries would retaliate against U.S. workers abroad.
     
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