The woes of wrecking a Tesla Model 3 Performance...

[Ayy Eye]

Damn. Well I’m glad you’re making progress. Is the delay in tearing it down due to them just being super busy? Or something due to it being a Tesla?

They had two other 3’s before me, accidents around the same time, which was believable since they’re the only shop in the area that is Tesla certified. Waited in line for about 3.5 weeks until they began disassembly.

Tesla parts apparently take 1.5 weeks from order date to be delivered - based on what they told me when I had asked. I was surprised.

 

[S4WRXTTCS]

Why would it not have worked? Parking sensors would have picked up any pillars, no?

I'm not expecting Smart Summons to work with a lot of rain.

Smart summons uses the Cameras primarily.

But, we shall see when it actually gets released.

 

[Ayy Eye]

Update:
Shop got in touch with me today to let me know that they have received delivery of a bunch of parts - still awaiting some more. Just wanted to let everyone know because they ordered the parts on Monday and Tesla was able to deliver them in 3 days, which is impressive!

 

[mswlogo]

damn, that stupid concrete block needs a light pole on it! I see what happened -- especially if it was raining. I wish AEB would have seen it though.

The 12v is a continued weak link with Tesla EVs. I wonder how other EVs deal with it. There must be a better way. good luck.

Looks like those concrete barriers were under construction for light poles?

That stupid Model 3 was very prone to fogging up. What did you try?

You have several cases against Tesla on this.

1) Why couldn't you easily defog it?
2) Why the heck did those air bags go off, they should not have.
3) Why didn't the car stop you from driving into a concrete barrier. (these harsh conditions are when you need them the most).
4) Did the car warn you with Ultra Sonics?

Maybe the 12V or HV Battery got damaged in the accident.
Or the AirBags going off tripped something that uses power or disconnected main battery (which stopped charging the 12V) and everything was running off of 12V.

I doubt it would be close to totaled.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Daniel in SD]

1) Why couldn't you easily defog it?

No car can defog instantly.

2) Why the heck did those air bags go off, they should not have.

From the manual "Significant superficialdamage can occur to the vehicle without the airbags inflating and, conversely, a relatively small amount of structural damage can cause airbags to inflate."

3) Why didn't the car stop you from driving into a concrete barrier. (these harsh conditions are when you need them the most).

"Warning: Several factors can affect the performance of Automatic Emergency Braking, causing either no braking or inappropriate or untimely braking, such as when a vehicle is partially in the path of travel or there is road debris. It is the driver’s responsibility to drive safely and remain in control of the vehicle at all times. Never depend on Automatic Emergency Braking to avoid or reduce the impact of a collision."
The pillar was likely too small to be detected by AEB.

4) Did the car warn you with Ultra Sonics?

Ultrasonics only have a few feet of range, likely too late to avoid a collision.

 

[mswlogo]

No car can defog instantly.

From the manual "Significant superficialdamage can occur to the vehicle without the airbags inflating and, conversely, a relatively small amount of structural damage can cause airbags to inflate."

"Warning: Several factors can affect the performance of Automatic Emergency Braking, causing either no braking or inappropriate or untimely braking, such as when a vehicle is partially in the path of travel or there is road debris. It is the driver’s responsibility to drive safely and remain in control of the vehicle at all times. Never depend on Automatic Emergency Braking to avoid or reduce the impact of a collision."
The pillar was likely too small to be detected by AEB.

Ultrasonics only have a few feet of range, likely too late to avoid a collision.

Disagree. That concrete block was huge and the sensors have plenty of range as well as radar.

Who says defogging had to be instant? Model 3 was definitely the worst I’ve ever experienced. But it was manageable if you knew what to do. I sure hope the X is better.

Why do folks defend such obvious flaws and only defer them getting properly addressed.

This should not have happened and been so severe. Tesla needs to take some responsibility for this calamity of problems. I know many cheaper cars this simply would not have happened.

 

[Daniel in SD]

Why do folks defend such obvious flaws and only defer them getting properly addressed.

I'm far from a Tesla fanboy but the flaws you're talking about are present in every car sold today.
Automatic emergency braking is intentionally very conservative about when it operates to avoid false positives. It especially has problems detecting objects that aren't moving, especially when they're smaller than a car. This is a well known limitation of radar based systems (note that in the European AEB tests all the pedestrians and cyclists are moving:

).
Airbags are designed to deploy at 15mph into an immovable barrier. This may have been slower than that but because the sensors are near the front of the car and the object was narrower than the front of the car that may have resulted in larger acceleration forces on the sensors than if the car hit a wall.
The ultrasonic sensors only have a range of a few feet and I don't think any car manufacturer uses them for emergency braking.
I actually have no idea how well the defogger works, I guess I haven't had my windows fog up, but driving without being able to see out the windshield is risky in any car.

 

[BM3B]

I got hit and pushed off the freeway at 65 mph. You can see the damage here
Crumple zone check

Car is totaled, meaning repair would cost at least $30k. Good luck! Ask for damages value adjustment from your insurance co

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

Or the AirBags going off tripped something that uses power or disconnected main battery (which stopped charging the 12V) and everything was running off of 12V.

I believe airbag deployment will always trigger the pyrofuse.

Ask for damages value adjustment from your insurance co

Usually can't do that if you're at fault.

Not surprised your car was totaled - glad you're ok.

 

[Ayy Eye]

Looks like those concrete barriers were under construction for light poles?

That stupid Model 3 was very prone to fogging up. What did you try?

You have several cases against Tesla on this.

1) Why couldn't you easily defog it?
2) Why the heck did those air bags go off, they should not have.
3) Why didn't the car stop you from driving into a concrete barrier. (these harsh conditions are when you need them the most).
4) Did the car warn you with Ultra Sonics?

Maybe the 12V or HV Battery got damaged in the accident.
Or the AirBags going off tripped something that uses power or disconnected main battery (which stopped charging the 12V) and everything was running off of 12V.

I doubt it would be close to totaled.

Thanks for sharing.

1) Concrete barriers are still the same as they were the day of the accident. Garage has been up for years - the top floor was built recently, but not completed; yet considered completed by the owners. Believe it or not, there were over 5 complaints last month due to the parking garage not being up to code. There was an SUV that blew a tire due to a huge hole after driving over an asphalt repair patch recently in that garage - I'll post a photo of it. Unfortunately, it's the only place I can park for work - street parking is risky and costly, vs the free parking pass I get from work for the garage.

2) All I could think of, in regards to this, is the impact damage was similar to if I were to hit a utility pole - this may have triggered the sensors or damaged them enough to have the airbags go off. The most annoying part was getting out of the vehicle, the airbags wouldn't deflate, had to cut them open. And my jeans caught on fire from the driver airbag - that wasn't fun, haha. Nothing crazy though, small fire. Tesla called me seconds after, guy seemed like he liked his job.

3) Rain, visibility, no warnings but I don't have an answer for this. To be honest, I don't think the sensors could even pick up the barrier due to the angle I was driving up at, along with the combination of the turn I made. My eyes couldn't pick it up. I drove to that spot with my old car after the accident, really hard to see the barrier - it almost lines up with the hood of the car.

4) No warnings.

Overall, not totaled - 15k in damages though, whew. Everything but the hood, and bumper, along with whats behind the bumper raked up the total, and the airbags. The 3 stage pearl white paint also costs a lot apparently.

 

[Ayy Eye]

These are two separate holes in that garage - referring to my previous reply on (1).

 

[mswlogo]

These are two separate holes in that garage - referring to my previous reply on (1).

Geez WTF. A small child could fall through that.

 

[Daniel in SD]

These are two separate holes in that garage - referring to my previous reply on (1).

That can't possibly be legal.

 

[Ayy Eye]

That can't possibly be legal.

It’s not, but insurance is probably on their ass for it. They inspected the place. Owners however started using concrete and chicken wire to patch now instead of asphalt. They also placed 1.5inch thick steel plates above the major cracks where cars drive over along the support beams, instead of actually repairing them. This garage will collapse one day I swear, lol.

Edit:
OMG look what I just found - 12 days before my accident. This is the garage!
13 Investigates looking into conditions at Troy's Uncle Sam Parking Garage
New docs: Mounting frustration over Troy parking garage issues for months

 

[Mrcarcrazy]

Wow. They are begging for a lawsuit

 

[Ayy Eye]

Wow. They are begging for a lawsuit

I’m sure their insurance company is handling all of that. Based on the articles I’ve read. They are planning to tear it down and rebuild it, but then where will all the 150+ vehicles park? The street parking here is not the best and it’s a 2 hour limit. Gonna be tough for the employees.

 

[dmurphy]

This garage will collapse one day I swear, lol.

Granted, it's an overweight truck, but still - this garage has felt cheap and shaky since the day they built it.... this happened near my parents. I know this one well.

See Dramatic Footage of 40-Ton Dump Truck that Collapsed through Parking Platform

Craptacular edit but the only "live" footage I've found of it:

 

[Ayy Eye]

Here’s a video of the concrete block/visibility and how the accident were to happen on a sunny day.

 

[Dan203]

It kind of blend perfectly into that back wall from that angle.

 

[Ayy Eye]

It kind of blend perfectly into that back wall from that angle.

I should put some yellow reflective tape around it or something, haha.