I'm quoting something I heard elsewhere, but it is somewhat relevant here. "The internal combustion engine vs electric drive is similar to the trebuchet when the cannon was invented. It was more capable than the first big guns were at first, but that didn't last long.
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The rest of the thread on the other hand....
EarlyAdopter
Active Member
Yep, same for that GTR.
I had that Audi, chipped and tuned the same. It was fast. I like my P85 better, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to like my P85D even more.
It's almost like you can smell the fear and desparation mixed in with the oil burning. Disruption can be painful for some.
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
You're attributing that quote to the wrong person. Perhaps edit your post? (See post #7 for the original quote...)
strider
Active Member
Perfect_Flaw, you are missing one colossal point about the benefit of EV's. With an EV I can attain published 0-speed limit times at every stoplight if I wish and I CANNOT do that w/ an ICE without winning a crapload of tickets from the local constabulary. Why? Because all of those ICE require LAUNCH CONTROL. Otherwise know and holding the car's engine near redline and then dumping the clutch. Well guess what? It creates a lot of noise when doing this and aside from just being rude to everyone around you the cops will notice.
Further, 0-60 does not tell you how fast the car is in real-world use due to the aforementioned launch control, rev holding, etc. That's why I like 5-60 times as they tell the better story about how fast you can do things like merge onto a freeway. While we don't have the P85D's 5-60 times yet the GT-R is 3.9 from Car and Driver. The P85's 5-60 was .1 second faster than it's 0-60 so we could assume the P85D will also be slightly faster 5-60. So it will beat a GT-R in the way that matters for 99% of us and that is in "useable power". Further, the Tesla is always in the correct gear so it's much easier to drive quickly.
Further, 0-60 does not tell you how fast the car is in real-world use due to the aforementioned launch control, rev holding, etc. That's why I like 5-60 times as they tell the better story about how fast you can do things like merge onto a freeway. While we don't have the P85D's 5-60 times yet the GT-R is 3.9 from Car and Driver. The P85's 5-60 was .1 second faster than it's 0-60 so we could assume the P85D will also be slightly faster 5-60. So it will beat a GT-R in the way that matters for 99% of us and that is in "useable power". Further, the Tesla is always in the correct gear so it's much easier to drive quickly.
ThosEM
Space Weatherman
I would just like to point out that the *fuel pump* on the space shuttle main engine had 1000 BHP. Now can we please cease and desist from the "mine is bigger than yours' party here? ;=)
really, really? that is an example you give? fail. & the P85 driver-fail
there is a 90's civic around here that looks stock and does <10s 1/4s. I'd waaay rather have an S. probably will last longer and practically cost the same in the end
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amallah
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No to be too obvious here, but maybe it's not.. The statement "there's no replacement for displacement" is from the blanket generalization frequently made that there is no way to get the power gains offered by increased displacement in any other fashion. An electric motor breaks that rule. It's not saying "ICE CARS WERE ALWAYS THE BEST" or "TESLA IS 100% BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER CAR". It's just saying that there are other ways to achieve performance than increased displacement and here's a great example. Trying to make this fit into your personal ICE vs Electric debate is unnecessary.
