Third row access

[ohmman]

Someone pointed this out on reddit, and I hadn't noticed it beforehand. When Elon demonstrated getting into the third row, he initiated a seat movement for the second row. However, the driver's seat also had to move forward in order to create enough clearance for the second row. Did anyone else notice this? Those of you who took rides in them - I know very few rode in the third row, but did the driver have to get out in order to allow you in?

You can see it here at 14:52. You can also see the driver's seat returning to normal position when the seats are returning.

Any thoughts on the implications of this? Do the driver or passenger have to exit the car in order to allow third row in/egress from the falcon wings?

 

[green1]

Considering that in the initial X reveal a couple years ago the second row didn't have to move at all I find it ridiculous how much of a miss this was to the promises made at the time (they made a big deal of that on stage at the time, only 3 row SUV that could do that)

 

[scottf200]

Considering that in the initial X reveal a couple years ago the second row didn't have to move at all I find it ridiculous how much of a miss this was to the promises made at the time (they made a big deal of that on stage at the time, only 3 row SUV that could do that)

You may want to watch that again. Elon even stated he normal moves the 2nd row seat forward when he had to squeeze out and hop on one foot. Seriously, you don't recall that?

 

[green1]

You may want to watch that again. Elon even stated he normal moves the 2nd row seat forward when he had to squeeze out and hop on one foot. Seriously, you don't recall that?

Just re-watched it. I stand by my statement that this is a huge miss that was promised at the original reveal and that they made a big deal of. Several times they were in and out of that back seat, and not once did they move the second row seat AT ALL.

On the slide in the background "Step directly into the third row"
Elon demonstrated it, sure he said he'd normally move the seat, but they made a big deal of not having to.

Try in the production version to do that.

They also explicitly stated that all the seats would fold flat, another big miss.

They also stated that this vehicle would be more practical than a mini-van. I can't see even a single way that they have followed through on that promise, it is less practical than a mini-van in every single way.

I'm sorry, this is nowhere near the vehicle they promised, they traded the practicality they promised for the gimmicks of the taller windshield and auto-opening front doors, both of which I see as disadvantages rather than advantages, Not 10 seconds in to the initial reveal they showed the front auto-opening doors malfunction (driver gets out, closes the door and walks away, door changes it's mind and re-opens requiring Elon to go close it, if they can't get it right in a scripted presentation, how's it going to work in real life??)

Re-watching that video it appears they missed on at least as many promises as they hit on, it's not a great statistic.

 

[ohmman]

I don't want this to get into a "disappointment with MX" thread, there are other places to talk about it. green1, your on topic subject matter is relevant, though. There does seem to be some lost movement comparing the prototype and the delivered version. However, those seats might have already been forward in the prototype, hard to say.

I'm more curious, because that seems like a lot of seats moving (2nd row side, 2nd row middle to a lesser extent, and driver seat) in order to allow entry. I thought maybe there was a "lots of room" mode and a "don't make us move much" mode or something.

 

[green1]

In the original prototype they had 7 large adults seated in the vehicle. I don't think the seats were "already forward" as the middle row occupants wouldn't have fit. I'm convinced that the interior footprint was larger in the original. (not sure where the space was from, shorter frunk? shorter trunk? longer overall length? hard to say)

 

[aronth5]

I wonder if it senses whether the driver is in their seat and only moves the 2nd row seat as far forward as possible without affecting the driver?
When the driver is out of the car like Elon was, the 2nd row seat moves farther forward.

 

[ohmman]

In the original prototype they had 7 large adults seated in the vehicle. I don't think the seats were "already forward" as the middle row occupants wouldn't have fit. I'm convinced that the interior footprint was larger in the original. (not sure where the space was from, shorter frunk? shorter trunk? longer overall length? hard to say)

Yeah, I meant that the 2nd row might have been moved to an "uncomfortably tight" level, where the seats in the delivery video were back as far as they'd go. However, I think you're correct that there was just more aperture towards the 3rd row. My guess is they prioritized more 2nd row space since that's going to be used more than the third row in most cases.

I wonder if it senses whether the driver is in their seat and only moves the 2nd row seat as far forward as possible without affecting the driver?
When the driver is out of the car like Elon was, the 2nd row seat moves farther forward.

Good point. Definitely possible. Likewise on the passenger seat, which would need to be equipped with sensors.

 

[ZachShahan]

Wow, I did not notice that before.

 

[scottf200]

Someone pointed this out on reddit, and I hadn't noticed it beforehand. When Elon demonstrated getting into the third row, he initiated a seat movement for the second row. However, the driver's seat also had to move forward in order to create enough clearance for the second row. Did anyone else notice this? Those of you who took rides in them - I know very few rode in the third row, but did the driver have to get out in order to allow you in?
You can see it here at 14:52. You can also see the driver's seat returning to normal position when the seats are returning.
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Any thoughts on the implications of this? Do the driver or passenger have to exit the car in order to allow third row in/egress from the falcon wings?

Look at this video at 1:04. I do NOT see the front passenger seat moving. Also remember you can click the gear icon and change the speed to 0.25.

I do think it is pretty cool out the seat "fan out". Meaning the middle seat moves 1/2 way.

Image: http://i.imgur.com/PuLvmJb.png

 

[hoskme]

Someone pointed this out on reddit, and I hadn't noticed it beforehand. When Elon demonstrated getting into the third row, he initiated a seat movement for the second row. However, the driver's seat also had to move forward in order to create enough clearance for the second row. Did anyone else notice this? Those of you who took rides in them - I know very few rode in the third row, but did the driver have to get out in order to allow you in?

You can see it here at 14:52. You can also see the driver's seat returning to normal position when the seats are returning.

Any thoughts on the implications of this? Do the driver or passenger have to exit the car in order to allow third row in/egress from the falcon wings?

Good pickup, Ohmman. I just watched and it looked to me that the front seat tilted forward, which would be uncomfortable for the driver, to say the least. OTOH, the second row seats are supposed to move forward 10" to make more storage space. I can't imagine that the driver's and passenger seats would have to move too. Weird. I guess we will just have to wait for a Sig owner to get delivery and produce a full review.

 

[Cattledog]

I wonder if it senses whether the driver is in their seat and only moves the 2nd row seat as far forward as possible without affecting the driver?
When the driver is out of the car like Elon was, the 2nd row seat moves farther forward.

This.

 

[scottf200]

I wonder if it senses whether the driver is in their seat and only moves the 2nd row seat as far forward as possible without affecting the driver?
When the driver is out of the car like Elon was, the 2nd row seat moves farther forward.

That doesn't appear to be the case in the video I posted though ... it was on the passenger side.

 

[JST]

I thought we established elsewhere that the prototype ran on a longer wheelbase than the Model S, and that the production car would align with the Model S as far as wheelbase goes?

That would explain there being less room for 3rd row access.

 

[scottf200]

Similar to my previous post the end of this video shows that the front seat does not move.

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