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Paying a premium for convenienct fast charging in a trip? Oh, the horror!
While I understand what you're saying, I would argue that charging a Tesla on average is FAR faster than fueling an ICE car. In the three months and 3000 miles I have owned my Model 3, I have spent exactly 15 minutes Supercharging, and that was only to say I had done it. How much time would an ICE car spend refueling to travel 3000 miles? What percentage of most people's driving takes them past the range limits of the car? When Chevrolet was researching driving habits in order to determine an acceptable range for the Volt they found that 80% of Americans drive less than 40 miles per day on average. I am averaging 312 miles of range.It’s speed is relative to charging in other manners.
Right now, recharging is an aspect that an EV has that is less convenient than refueling a gasmobile. Owning one is choosing to accept that for the time being just like buying a tiny econobox or Prius saves fuel, but has very little performance appeal. Take your pick.
@Eclectic curious what exactly you are disagreeing with. My own experience? Chevrolet's research?While I understand what you're saying, I would argue that charging a Tesla on average is FAR faster than fueling an ICE car. In the three months and 3000 miles I have owned my Model 3, I have spent exactly 15 minutes Supercharging, and that was only to say I had done it. How much time would an ICE car spend refueling to travel 3000 miles? What percentage of most people's driving takes them past the range limits of the car? When Chevrolet was researching driving habits in order to determine an acceptable range for the Volt they found that 80% of Americans drive less than 40 miles per day on average. I am averaging 312 miles of range.
We are simply asking the wrong questions.
Dan
@Eclectic curious what exactly you are disagreeing with. My own experience? Chevrolet's research?
Dan
Well, if you want to do that then add about 7 seconds a day to my numbers...my bad. lolYou're not counting the time it takes to plug in/unplug every day. When I owned a Tesla I had to back into my garage to plug in and then remember to plug in and unlplug. Maybe a minute a day at most, right? Yet that's up to 7 minutes a week, and it takes about 5 minutes to fuel an ICE car, which you I do once every week and a half or so for my VW Rabbit.
Well, if you want to do that then add about 7 seconds a day to my numbers...my bad. lol
Dan
Well, I'm here to tell you it takes me exactly 3.5 seconds to plug in at night and unplug in the morning. I timed it. Having gassed up cars from the time I was 10 until the time I got my Model 3 (45 years) I'm here to tell you that refueling is most definitely an accurate reason to like EVs when taken in its entirety.You asked why I disagreed...and I disagree with your 7 second a day figure as well. There are plenty of reasons to like EVs, but I don't think fuelling time savings is a really compelling (or accurate) point.
We hate having to go get gas in our ICE car. It's a big reason we're looking forward to getting rid of it. Having to go out of our way to get to the station is really annoying, and with a couple of extra traffic lights it really adds to the aggravation. That, versus walking past the rear of the car and moving the plug from the wall to the port on the way into the house... no contest.You asked why I disagreed...and I disagree with your 7 second a day figure as well. There are plenty of reasons to like EVs, but I don't think fuelling time savings is a really compelling (or accurate) point.
You must be kidding?You asked why I disagreed...and I disagree with your 7 second a day figure as well. There are plenty of reasons to like EVs, but I don't think fuelling time savings is a really compelling (or accurate) point.
We hate having to go get gas in our ICE car. It's a big reason we're looking forward to getting rid of it. Having to go out of our way to get to the station is really annoying, and with a couple of extra traffic lights it really adds to the aggravation. That, versus walking past the rear of the car and moving the plug from the wall to the port on the way into the house... no contest.
Maybe, I don't know. I took my house remodeling guy for a test drive. Afterward, I handed him the charge cable and told him to press the dot. The charge port opened and he gave me an "Oh, come on!" look. I told him to plug it in, and that I never have to go to a gas station again. He bought a CPO S85 a few months later. Maybe it mattered a little, maybe not.I haven't been in Spring, TX, but pretty much everywhere else has gas stations on every major street. If you have to do anything more than pull into a gas station, you're not doing it right. Personally, I'd rather take 5 minutes once every week and a half on my way to the office to fill up the car than have to bother with plugging in/unplugging/backing into the garage every day.
Again, though, the point is that if you're trying to sell someone on EVs based on the time it takes to refuel vs. ICE, you're going to lose that argument.
have to bother with plugging in/unplugging/backing into the garage every day.
Maybe, I don't know. I took my house remodeling guy for a test drive. Afterward, I handed him the charge cable and told him to press the dot. The charge port opened and he gave me an "Oh, come on!" look. I told him to plug it in, and that I never have to go to a gas station again. He bought a CPO S85 a few months later. Maybe it mattered a little, maybe not.
I do get your point, though, honestly. It's down to personal preference, I think.
Not a detour at all. A matter of false perception. There is NOTHING more convenient than refueling at your own home while you sleep. We have convinced ourselves that taking time out of our day, no matter how long, stopping at a location we would not have gone if not for the need, no matter how close, and claim it to be superior.Exactly. There are so many real benefits to EVs that glomming onto refueling times seems silly. That was why I disagreed with the post that started this detour.
I would argue that charging a Tesla on average is FAR faster than fueling an ICE car. In the three months and 3000 miles I have owned my Model 3, I have spent exactly 15 minutes Supercharging, and that was only to say I had done it. How much time would an ICE car spend refueling to travel 3000 miles?
Dan
Not a detour at all. A matter of false perception. There is NOTHING more convenient than refueling at your own home while you sleep. We have convinced ourselves that taking time out of our day, no matter how long, stopping at a location we would not have gone if not for the need, no matter how close, and claim it to be superior.
We've bought into our own self deception.
Dan