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Tim Hortons

Phillip L

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Mar 31, 2015
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I think they should have one at the Wellington Rd exit in London, and then one down half way between London and Comber - but as you mentioned there aren't a ton of amenities. But not all SCs will have a Tim Hortons nearby - some of the ones being built between Sudbury and Winnipeg certainly won't have fast food places nearby.
Tim Hortons dropped from fourth to 50th in Canadian brand reputation survey, and rightly so. I will stop virtual anywhere than at that particular chain now, except maybe to use their washroom.
 
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Doug_G

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Apr 2, 2010
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Funny how one franchisee screws their employees over the minimum wage increase, and the entire chain gets the bad press. It was only a couple of stores.
 
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wayner

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Oct 29, 2014
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Funny how one franchisee screws their employees over the minimum wage increase, and the entire chain gets the bad press. It was only a couple of stores.
The new ownership group, 3G, is pretty vicious with its control on expenses. One can argue that they are doing a lot of things to save costs in the short term that will hurt the company in the long term. They have decimated the head office staff in Oakville, I have a relative that was just terminated a couple of weeks ago. For example, they have drastically reduced the number of people in the company that deal with food safety.

See this article from ROB magazine (sub may be required): Inside the brutal transformation of Tim Hortons
 
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sakimano

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Mar 20, 2017
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Funny how one franchisee screws their employees over the minimum wage increase, and the entire chain gets the bad press. It was only a couple of stores.

screw = take away free stuff because other rising costs (mandated minimum wages) in the business mean the business is losing a huge portion of its profitability?

PRE minimum wage hike - these employees were earning $12/hr and were getting a 'free meal' worth about $5 a shift as well as 0.5 hrs of paid breaks per day. Net annual income + free meal benefits assuming 2000 hrs worked (50 weeks x 40 hrs) = $25,250/yr

POST 2019 minimum wage hike+employee 'screwing' - $15/hr, 1875 hrs paid (reduced because breaks aren't free) and $0 free meals = $28,125/yr (aka $2875 or 11% raise = getting screwed)

The business owner, if they have 18 full time employees, just saw costs go up $51,750/year if you include his cost cutting measures / screwing. If he did nothing and continued the free breaks and meals along with the wage hike, he'd have seen his costs go up $108,000/year

The average Tim Hortons franchise made about $300,000 in 2017. Imagine seeing YOUR paycheque cut 36% and your income dropping from $300,000 to $192,000 at the flick of a switch because the provincial government is buying votes in an election year.

Someone's getting screwed alright...
 

rypalmer

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Aug 22, 2014
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If the premise of your business involves paying less than a liveable wage, you're not going to get a lot of sympathy from me. Also I doubt there are many franchisees with only one store...
 

sakimano

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Mar 20, 2017
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Ontario, Canada
If the premise of your business involves paying less than a liveable wage, you're not going to get a lot of sympathy from me. Also I doubt there are many franchisees with only one store...
This is Tim Horton's. Cheap coffee cheap snacks cheap sandwiches. It relies on cheap labour or else prices look like Starbucks and then people don't go to Tim Horton's.

As the business owner faced with this you have a few choices:
1. Raise prices considerably
2. Fire employees and make 15 do the work of 18
3. Cut costs (those other benefits) to make it amenable

Since #3 catches negative publicity, they will do #2. Much worse scenario having people unemployed and earnings $0 rather than employed and earning $24,000/year. Once he does that the business owner has stretched resources, will lose a bit of efficiency, but he'll be fine.

The attempt to redistribute wealth from the business owner to employees turned into the 3 fired employees' incomes now being redistributed to the other 15 remaining in effect, and they're working harder for their money.

Your analogy that, because they have multiple stores (they don't...you just made that up) and are wealthy that means they should be ok with a 30% pay cut because they're wealthy makes no sense. How about you donate $54,000/year to your local Tim Horton's and split the lost profits with the owner. You should be fine. You still make good money. Isn't socialism grand?
 

PLUS EV

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If the premise of your business involves paying less than a liveable wage, you're not going to get a lot of sympathy from me. Also I doubt there are many franchisees with only one store...
But they're only making 192k/store now! Poor babies!!
 

sakimano

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Mar 20, 2017
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Ontario, Canada
Okay we're well off-topic. I apologize to contributing to that! Back to Superchargers please.
lol I'm guilty.

Although spring supercharger construction has already begun so this topic has kind of sailed off into the sunset. Poll should be closed and Cokes distributed appropriately to those who voted pre-July 1st

:)
 
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Whisky

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May 12, 2017
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The average Tim Hortons franchise made about $300,000 in 2017. Imagine seeing YOUR paycheque cut 36% and your income dropping from $300,000 to $192,000 at the flick of a switch because the provincial government is buying votes in an election year.

Someone's getting screwed alright...

Imagine, doing nothing and making $300k a year and a gov’t policy changes so your employees get paid a living wage, so they can afford healthier food, and rent, and not work two or three jobs to support their families, and you’re still doing nothing but only making $192k a year. Damn. Life is tough.

Investment conditions change all the time. Someone that can afford multiple franchises that earns less money a year is not a concern we, as a society, should have. They still have profitable businesses, and homes, and cars, and cottages.

Put differently, if you own a house and a car, and you’re making money off the backs of hard working employees that can’t afford the basic costs of living on a 40 hour work week, your business is a failure. In the case of Tim Horton franchises, they’re fine.
 
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Aug 27, 2014
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I cited Tim Horton's as it is one of the few (potential) 24 hour food joints one might find at a super charger. I did not intend for this to devolve into a socialism vs capitalism commentary. With so many of the new (Ontario) superchargers being in malls, our late night/early morning options are quite limited and I, for one, do not have a Keurig wired into my car.

Tesla is certainly under no obligation to provide amenities, but gas stations have set a precedent for the travelling public. Imagine a bunch of gas pumps, sitting in a parking lot, with nothing else around. People would question that.

I'll take a Coke Classic or a Coke Life (in a pinch) please. :)
 
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Whisky

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May 12, 2017
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Stop now with the Tim Hortons stuff. Unless one has a Supercharger.

Fortunate to have the financial security to belong as a member of this community, but the world is changing. Ten years ago, someone makes an inappropriate comment, and we laughed it off as "Oh John, always a kidder." Today, having conversations like this is important. Speaking out against someone that believes a business owner has the right to underpay employees to the point that they can't afford to live within the city they work is important.

We can't have $100k+ cars without entitlement, but we shouldn't ignore entitlement when it's part of the community. There's a common theme amongst Tesla owners of making the world a better place, and I'd like to think these debates are in that same spirits. More importantly, especially because we drive ridiculously wonderful and expensive cars, being united in a stance for people being paid a living wage is important.
 
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