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Too many colors! (HOV Access stickers)

henchook

Member
Dec 28, 2018
18
7
Saratoga, California
We're all for Pride in California, but this is going too far. It's time to end the madness.

This is fast becoming a management nightmare.
There are no less than five different HOV stickers with different colors, and they all require that you place four stickers on your car, front & back.
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The "normal" color-coded registration stickers that you place on the corners of your license plate are tiny, just 0.5x1.5in and I would argue that serve a more important purpose (verifying you're driving a registered/inspected vehicle) than carpool abuse.

It's almost as if there are two separate bureaucracies in the state - one that wants to encourage EVs and created the HOV lane incentive, and a second that wants to discourage EVs by making it so cumbersome (file a snailmail form, wait >1month, apply multiple stickers that expire, un-expire, etc.).

Why can't you just have special license plate number / suffix / sticker / color?

Is there a process to file a complaint about this?
 

Buddy

Member
Jul 3, 2016
661
541
Riverside County
I thought I was alone in this.

Registration stickers also have the month or year printed on them.

Anyone who thinks most cops will know that white just expired but red is good, and purple, and whatever the next color is...but then red goes bad first..


Imagine in 5 years when yellow, green, white, and red are bad.

But purple, black, brown and grey are valid.


This new color every year wont work.
 

TT97

Active Member
Aug 6, 2017
2,173
2,910
Los Angeles
White, green and yellow all expired. Only red and purple are active. Eventually there will be up to 4 colors active at one time.

I'm sure cops can remember four colors.
 
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Buddy

Member
Jul 3, 2016
661
541
Riverside County
White, green and yellow all expired. Only red and purple are active. Eventually there will be up to 4 colors active at one time.

I'm sure cops can remember four colors.

Theres a video somewhere of a cop pulling over a Tesla Model 3 for the center display. He thought it was a computer. No offense to the CHP but they have a lot of laws to enforce, remembering which 4 color hov stickers are valid isnt a priority.


Talk a CHP guy and ask him if that's what he looks at when watching for carpool violators.

Typically it's just speeding anyway.

If I have a white sticker on my car, I could also have a passenger in the back seat and still be legal.

They wont just be able to pull over vehicles with the wrong color sticker.
 

TT97

Active Member
Aug 6, 2017
2,173
2,910
Los Angeles
Theres a video somewhere of a cop pulling over a Tesla Model 3 for the center display. He thought it was a computer. No offense to the CHP but they have a lot of laws to enforce, remembering which 4 color hov stickers are valid isnt a priority.

The officer knew the law to enforce that you can't have a computer mounted on a center console. A CHP officer that is enforcing carpool violations knows which stickers are valid.


If I have a white sticker on my car, I could also have a passenger in the back seat and still be legal.

You don't need any sticker if you have a passenger in the back seat (assuming it is a 2+ carpool lane). Having a white sticker is no different than not having any sticker. The stickers give you a right to be in the carpool lane without any passengers.
 

Buddy

Member
Jul 3, 2016
661
541
Riverside County
The officer knew the law to enforce that you can't have a computer mounted on a center console. A CHP officer that is enforcing carpool violations knows which stickers are valid.




You don't need any sticker if you have a passenger in the back seat (assuming it is a 2+ carpool lane). Having a white sticker is no different than not having any sticker. The stickers give you a right to be in the carpool lane without any passengers.

I understand and agree with you. My point is that as years go by there will be 5,6,7,8 or more HOV color stickers on the road, half of which will be expired.

Theres no year date on the stickers so every year when a new color comes out, the will need to learn which color expired and which new color is valid.
 

TT97

Active Member
Aug 6, 2017
2,173
2,910
Los Angeles
I understand and agree with you. My point is that as years go by there will be 5,6,7,8 or more HOV color stickers on the road, half of which will be expired.

Theres no year date on the stickers so every year when a new color comes out, the will need to learn which color expired and which new color is valid.

The problem is the stickers need to be visible from afar for enforcement. They could send everyone four new stickers every year and only have one color active at any time but I see that as an even worse bureaucratic nightmare (and there will still be plenty of people driving around with the expired stickers that don't qualify anymore). Having a small sticker on the license plate wouldn't be visible enough.

There will always be at most 4 active stickers and since the program sunsets 9/30/25, there will only be 3 more new colors. I don't see them extending the program any further after 2025 due to the EVs that will be in circulation by then.
 

derkan

June Bug
Jul 25, 2016
149
139
Orange County, CA
White, green and yellow all expired. Only red and purple are active. Eventually there will be up to 4 colors active at one time.

I'm sure cops can remember four colors.

Well the YEAR sticker on the license plate is also color coded. Why didn't they somehow align the carpool decal colors with the year colors to make it easier to remember for cops.
I understand and agree with you. My point is that as years go by there will be 5,6,7,8 or more HOV color stickers on the road, half of which will be expired.

Yes I agree, and BTW there is no requirement to remove expired stickers from cars, which leaves ugly residue anyway.
 
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arcus

Active Member
Aug 11, 2017
1,301
958
Denton, TX
One would think that a state that is home to Silicon Valley would be able to come out with more appropriate way to ensure legitimacy of HOV usage than the fugly stickers. Something, you know, more 21st century-like.
 

r0xx0r

Member
Jul 9, 2016
437
335
CA
Talk a CHP guy and ask him if that's what he looks at when watching for carpool violators.

Typically it's just speeding anyway.

Violators in my area are including many solo Tesla’s rider without any sticker. They just assume that driving a Tesla means ZEV means HOV access. They seems dont have any problem with corps.
 

stickerknight

Banned
Jan 30, 2019
11
3
California, USA
Necessary evil at this point in time? I held out for month before giving in and plastering red stickers on my car. I read about the sticker residue issue and wanted a solution. First tried hand cutting ppf sticker base myself, which I ended up screwing up one of my stickers, so then looked to machine cutting stickers and viola! Still hideous but I've tried to place them as line conforming as possible so they aren't as much of an eye sore. And I got lucky, red on red ;) If you decide to give in as well, let me help you! StickerKnight
 
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