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Top Gear Magazine: Model 3 Performance is faster around a track than the BMW M3!

Lhshockey24

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Nov 25, 2017
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674
Livermore, CA + Lake Tahoe
BMW is feeling the pressure. Reading Bimmerfest is interesting.

I posted there a month or so ago that I had just returned from the M Performance School one-day class in Palm Springs. Even though we drove literally the best cars BMW can engineer, they still felt downright boring compared to a P3D. The almost "zero turbo-lag" of the new $120K M5 to me felt like waiting 5 seconds for the torque to kick in. The M2 was a blast to sling around the track, but it felt sluggish and about as quick as a long range Model 3. The M4 was the most disappointing of the bunch, slow, heavy, and boring. The ONLY thing I'll give the big M cars is those carbon ceramic brakes. REALLY fun to smash down on those going 90+ into a turn.

In summary - driving any of these BMWs felt like an obituary to the past of the auto industry. We, my friends, are driving the future.
 

WilliamG

Active Member
Apr 20, 2019
4,125
5,775
Seattle, WA
I posted there a month or so ago that I had just returned from the M Performance School one-day class in Palm Springs. Even though we drove literally the best cars BMW can engineer, they still felt downright boring compared to a P3D. The almost "zero turbo-lag" of the new $120K M5 to me felt like waiting 5 seconds for the torque to kick in. The M2 was a blast to sling around the track, but it felt sluggish and about as quick as a long range Model 3. The M4 was the most disappointing of the bunch, slow, heavy, and boring. The ONLY thing I'll give the big M cars is those carbon ceramic brakes. REALLY fun to smash down on those going 90+ into a turn.

In summary - driving any of these BMWs felt like an obituary to the past of the auto industry. We, my friends, are driving the future.

You can quote me for quoting this in years to come.

There have been a few times in my life where I’ve experienced something that had me say, wow - that’s the future right there. Among those moments, - the original iPhone, the Sony Reader (the Amazon Kindle before the actual Kindle), and now the Model 3 Performance Edition.

Everything else is boring compared to the Model 3 P, and I’ve driven a LOT of high performance cars in the past.

I’m not even saying Tesla survives. I’m saying once you go electric - EVERYTHING is a snooze by comparison. People talk about the sweet sound a supercar makes. I used to be that person. Not anymore. Now you can hear the tires more easily and be that much more involved in the limits of performance.

Anyway, this is the future. BMW needs to join the party.
 

WilliamG

Active Member
Apr 20, 2019
4,125
5,775
Seattle, WA
Bingo. It’s crazy how often I surprise myself, let alone my poor passengers, when I snap the pedal down because racecar. And I only have a 3LR!

It’s polite to tell passengers to put their heads back on the headrest in electric cars with this much performance, before you gun it. I gave my 70-year-old neighbor whiplash (for real) when I test drove the P3D.
 

stickman

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Feb 1, 2019
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268
Seattle
It’s polite to tell passengers to put their heads back on the headrest in electric cars with this much performance, before you gun it. I gave my 70-year-old neighbor whiplash (for real) when I test drove the P3D.
It’s true. My friend tweaked her neck because she was looking sideways when I punched it.
 

AltLogic

Member
May 14, 2018
252
328
SoCal
I wonder how much a spoiler would have helped. The track times are a good example of what the average driver can get out of the car.

If Elon wants to get serious about lap times he needs to make a “competition package.” This package could include top of the line, wider street tires on wider wheels (whatever is setting the fastest “lightning” lap times) and competition brake pads. He could also require a waiver signed at delivery addressing the temp range of the tires and brakes, the rapid wear on aforementioned items and the reduced range.
 

laalves911

Member
Jan 2, 2019
29
16
Portugal
I have a 911 Turbo (996) and from a couple of weeks ago a Model 3 AWD LR. Love the Tesla, the most fantastic geekmobile ever (I am a self assumed geek 100%). Love to drive the M3 and its instantaneous response, silence, spaceship feeling and all the absurd geekiness of it. Also test drove a P3D. Enjoyed it thoroughly. It's a clinical driving machine.

BUT

Nothing touches the 911. The absurdity, explosiveness, thrashy behaviour around a corner, the nose lifting, the eagerness to just go, noise (God! the noise!), vibration, the responsivess of the steering, all of that is something else entirely.

Two different worlds, love them both for totally different reasons.

Also have a BMW r nineT roadster bike, another crazy petrol bugger. Would love to try a proper E-bike to compare, haven't got around to do that yet.
 

AltLogic

Member
May 14, 2018
252
328
SoCal
A huge advantage a 911 has over a model 3 is steering feel/feedback.

I always think of the following when someone tries to romanticize the negative aspects of combustion engines to justify their superiority: one can drive a screw into a piece of wood in many ways, a sledgehammer is a very satisfying method but a cordless driver is more effective.
 

laalves911

Member
Jan 2, 2019
29
16
Portugal
A huge advantage a 911 has over a model 3 is steering feel/feedback.

I always think of the following when someone tries to romanticize the negative aspects of combustion engines to justify their superiority: one can drive a screw into a piece of wood in many ways, a sledgehammer is a very satisfying method but a cordless driver is more effective.

That's why I have both!
 

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