It’s not FUD if it’s true. I can refuel my ICE tow vehicle in 5 minutes.
My model Y took 10-15 minutes to unhook + 30 minutes to charge. Pull-through supercharger are not common.
These are indisputable facts, fanboiiiiiiii.
it's the aerodynamics that sucks the juice. The large rock deflector in front and the tailgate, along with the width make this a more difficult tow.
That last detail is what makes me really curious about how the CT and F150 Lightning will perform when towing. They might actually beat some of our expectations.My 1-ton Diesel Dually would get about 17 mph empty, but as soon as I attached my empty enclosed trailer, the mileage dropped to 12 mph. It's like towing a windbreak. Our Model X's range is cut in half when towing this same trailer. Basically, the more efficient/slippery your vehicle is, the worse hit towing will give you. If you already drive a brick (semi truck), a trailer won't make much difference.
In that case, the trailer is just drafting the brick, lolMy 1-ton Diesel Dually would get about 17 mph empty, but as soon as I attached my empty enclosed trailer, the mileage dropped to 12 mph. It's like towing a windbreak. Our Model X's range is cut in half when towing this same trailer. Basically, the more efficient/slippery your vehicle is, the worse hit towing will give you. If you already drive a brick (semi truck), a trailer won't make much difference.
I actually think we'll see decent towing in 5 to 10 years. Double the battery capacity on the Tesla (200kWh on Model X and 150kWh on Model Y) and you probably could go that 120 mile without issue and without having to charge. (Assuming 900 wh/mi, which is very high) Model X could even be at a full 1kWh per mile and still do like 170 miles with a little buffer left. I suspect we'll be there. The F150 is likely to have a pretty massive battery at 150kWh or above, give three to five more years and costs will likely come down to where Tesla is able to step up to that size with little price increase, of if there is an increase, it might be tied to a "tow package" that's an extra $5,000 or something.I think it’s great some are willing to travel back roads at low speeds, downhill in a vacuum at 70 degrees, ect .. while towing with a Tesla. Personally I’m not willing to do all that. I’m also not willing to risk whatever hell I’ll have to figure out how to get out of should the Tesla run dead while towing expensive cargo a long way from a charger. It would literally take days to resolve all that. Yes you could get a 75 kwh trailer - what’s that cost ?! The battery alone on that would be $20k never mind electronics. It just becomes too much hassle and too expensive.
I love the car for what it is - a city cruiser that would crush a hellcat demon at any stop light. But it’s not a utility vehicle. I hope we get there 1 day but for most ppl, where we are at now is ice vehicle is a must for towing even moderate distances. I just think that kinda sucks personally. I just had a 60 amp charger installed up at our farm which is 120 miles in the mtns. But I’ll have to use my grand Cherokee to pull the trailer full of dirt bikes as there’s no way a Tesla would make that drive safely. I’m sure as hell not leaving a trailer full or dirtbikes worth $30k on the side of the road while a tow truck pulls the car the rest of the way. There is no pt in taking a risk like that.
and I for one am astonished by the progress Tesla has made over the past 10 yrs but this rhetoric certain car companies are pushing as to how they will sell only EVs with 5 years, or how Cali will only allow sales of EVs within 10 years is ridiculous. I get that it’s not serious and intended as the stretch goal but I think some take that seriously and loose track of what’s actually possible in the near term
You saved me a tummy ache, thanks.I have the teslifi app so I can see the usage on every trip. This one was 49 miles each way and elevation change of 574'. Avg speed was 45mph max was 73 mph. The trip was 2/3 back roads at 45 or so and 1/3 hwy where i tried to keep it at 70 which is the speed limit. The trailer is the home depot 5x8 which weighs about 500#. Power usage was 550 wh/mi going (uphill) and 542 wh/mi coming back
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The dirt bikes weigh about 250# ea so we should of been right at 1,000 #. The trailer wheels werent locked up, I moved the whole trailer by hand to load it to the hitch and it rolled fine. So I dont know what the heck happened here, the bikes arent especially un-aerodynamic not like I was pulling a bill board sideways or anything. Just a hell of alot of power used !
I get the comparison to gas, yes. It kills gas mileage too. The difference is there are 160K gas stations in atlanta i can fill up in 5 minutes. Theres 10 supercharger locations in north atlanta, and nowhere near where I would of needed them.
I guess you could tow with this thing but I wont again its stressful. Kinda sucks, its supposed to be a SUV but there aint much U in that if you can only tow safely 100 miles. I cant imagine running out of charge while towing a trailer with expensive stuff in it. would take days to sort out tow trucks just to get back home.
Im really curious how ford will address this in the F150. That thing wont go 50 miles in the winter towing up hills ...
I second this post.Lots of caveats in that post…
Your tolerance for adding significant amounts of time and inconvenience to your trips simply may be greater than mine.
Personally, I would not recommend Tesla as a tow vehicle to anyone who seriously tows (ie not bike racks).
That's just called using the right vehicle for the task. It holds true even between ICE cars. You probably wouldn't pull a big load with a Prius. I had a WRX I loved a few years back, but when I had to drive from Quebec to Florida with 5 passengers, a bike and a full load I rented a Suburban for 2 weeks. I wouldn't want to make such a long drive with a Smart Car either
It is indeed. Your Y has significantly sub-optimal wheels for energy efficiency. The bigger wheels offer no advantages in any driving scenario.Maybe the performance Y is totally different then.
Yes, this has been the case since EVs first became available. Not new news. But since I bought my first Tesla in 2013 there are now thousands more charging stations (of all types, not just Superchargers) in the US than there were back then. Of course it takes longer to charge an EV than it does to fill a gas tank. I’m sorry that apparently you did not realize that before you bought your Tesla.I get the comparison to gas, yes. It kills gas mileage too. The difference is there are 160K gas stations in atlanta i can fill up in 5 minutes. Theres 10 supercharger locations in north atlanta, and nowhere near where I would of needed them.
You are underestimating the aerodynamic drag produced by your trailer and the bikes. The air doesn’t just ”travel thru it”, it is markedly disrupted and therefore additional energy is needed to maintain speed. If you could somehow enclose the trailer and bikes in a properly shaped shell your energy usage would fall dramatically. Obviously you cannot do that.I didnt see the wind resistance as being such an issue. even at 40 mph on the back roads the range was still falling off really bad. Its an open air trailer, mesh sides so the air can travel thru it, and 2 bikes facing fwd but they werent sticking out much past the roof line of the car
The MY LR towed the 16ft scamp very well from the factory in Minn back home to Texas. We were able to get 170 -180 mi per charge but noramally stopped more frequently. I was keeping the speed at 60. So basically was hitting every super charger sort of do that anyway, just with the trailer I charge to 90 ~ 95 instead of the 75 ~80 w/o a trailer, and would come in around 10~15 %. Anyway it works great the free charge from the RV campground. Scamp is a fantastic little travel trailer and pretty aerodynamic. It isnt wider than the car, anyway if someone is looking for a travel trailer for the Y...I would recommend the Scamp.
Enjoy life in your echo chamber, fanboiiiii.
You must fit in great in California.
Once again, it’s not FUD if it’s true.All your inspid FUD and whining and Tesla will still sell everything they make.
You just keep on failing. You've already demonstrated that you're really, really good at it.
Even this guy put his investors' money where his mouth was and eventually gave up. There's so much conviction from you/TESLAQ types that Tesla will fail only to give up when Tesla's stock is so high.
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Stay in looney-land for as long as you can, because you're not going to like reality.