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JRP3
Hyperactive Member
bollar
Disgruntled Member
Disgusting.
I bet they will be wishing they threw some money to one specific freshman rep.
C.Ford - Now that's some serious lobbying! Well done. Where are you in eastern NC? I grew up in Wilson.
Here's an article from CNN. Not much new but the comment regarding how dealers introduce competition into the marketplace is complete crap. Anybody try to buy a Prius when it was the hot green car in 2005-2006? I bought one from a dealer in summer 2006 after a long internet search. I got lucky and got mine for MSRP at a dealer an hour away from where I lived. It as actually a pretty painless experience since there was no haggling; the guy essentially said there's no wiggle room since the car is in such high demand, handed me the paperwork and I signed it and drove away. Other people weren't so lucky in that a lot of dealers were selling cars for more than MSRP and getting fleeced. Think what could happen if Tesla were in the hands of some of these people.
Tesla takes on America's car dealers - May. 20, 2013 Here's an article from CNN. Not much new but the comment regarding how dealers introduce competition into the marketplace is complete crap. Anybody try to buy a Prius when it was the hot green car in 2005-2006? I bought one from a dealer in summer 2006 after a long internet search. I got lucky and got mine for MSRP at a dealer an hour away from where I lived. It as actually a pretty painless experience since there was no haggling; the guy essentially said there's no wiggle room since the car is in such high demand, handed me the paperwork and I signed it and drove away. Other people weren't so lucky in that a lot of dealers were selling cars for more than MSRP and getting fleeced. Think what could happen if Tesla were in the hands of some of these people.
"The traditional dealer franchise system is best for car buyers, Wolters insists, because it preserves competition between dealerships selling the same products. It would be difficult for Tesla to maintain its one-price system with competing dealers selling Model S cars." <------ crap
The silly part of this comment is it assumes that there are no other cars in the world other than the Model S. Where's the outrage that an iPad costs $X whether it's bought from Apple, Best Buy or wherever? It was a successful product and Apple charged what they could until a competitor came along with other offerings, giving consumers a choice. Cars are the same way. If I don't like the price on an S, I can choose something else. Plenty of luxury vehicles available at similar price points. And when there's sufficient demand and a compelling reason for other manufacturers to offer EVs similar to the S then they will be brought to market and everyone will have more choices. The only competition a dealership creates is between me and the sales guy.
C.Ford
2023 Model S LR (previously 2012 Model S 85)
Plug Me In - I am in Edenton. We had our 300th birthday celebration this weekend and a lot of state dignitaries were in town for it. Governor McCrory was on hand, but I couldn't get close enough to talk to him. He was too busy kissing hands and shaking babies, I guess.
dflye
S Sig Perf 414, VIN 814
Wow, that is quite the list of members on one committee...
No wonder it costs so much to get a car through a dealer, if they have to buy off about three dozen politicians!
No wonder it costs so much to get a car through a dealer, if they have to buy off about three dozen politicians!
Tesla Motors NC said:
Sorry, but NC is going to pass a bill that resembles a lot like those passed by dictatorships or country's like china and north-korea to block free speech and opposition!
Is the next step blokking and screening internet & telephone so that citizens can not contact the opposition?
(china has a good system apparently, they can go there for inspiration!)
Funny is, the free market is going to be more free in china than in the usa!
Is the next step blokking and screening internet & telephone so that citizens can not contact the opposition?
(china has a good system apparently, they can go there for inspiration!)
Funny is, the free market is going to be more free in china than in the usa!
From that article:
"I sat down in Palo Alto with Elon Musk, hat in hand, and said we want to partner with you, you can have it exactly as you want it — 'Tesla of Austin,' " said Wolters of the Texas dealers association. "You can do it just as you want to, within our law, you just can't own the showroom."
"We want to partner with you" being a euphemism for "We want our cut." It's all about the money.
From the CNN
"If Elon Musk wants to have a showroom in a mall, that's fine," Wolters said, "but he can't own it."
The gall.
Mr Wolters, How would you like it if a multi-billionaire came to your town an simply bought up everything you and your kids love and denied you access? He could buy your kid's local private school, Starbucks, move theater, fast food restaurants shopping malls, golf course, fancy eatery, and render every house on your street an empty shell. He could buy all the businesses surrounding your dealership and raze them to the ground or make them into pleasant smelling dairy farms. He could give a lot more money than you could ever dream of to the politician you have hidden in your breast pocket.
A multi-billionaire could single out any of you vocal free-market deniers and make your life a whole lot diffident than your artificial monopoly now allows you. Tread lightly my friend.
"If Elon Musk wants to have a showroom in a mall, that's fine," Wolters said, "but he can't own it."
The gall.
Mr Wolters, How would you like it if a multi-billionaire came to your town an simply bought up everything you and your kids love and denied you access? He could buy your kid's local private school, Starbucks, move theater, fast food restaurants shopping malls, golf course, fancy eatery, and render every house on your street an empty shell. He could buy all the businesses surrounding your dealership and raze them to the ground or make them into pleasant smelling dairy farms. He could give a lot more money than you could ever dream of to the politician you have hidden in your breast pocket.
A multi-billionaire could single out any of you vocal free-market deniers and make your life a whole lot diffident than your artificial monopoly now allows you. Tread lightly my friend.
bollar
Disgruntled Member
So, if this passes, I guess what will happen:
Service Center and Gallery are setup as a different company.
Consumer will order via internet as normal. Transaction will be completed and paid for in California. IMO, NC has no authority to interfere with this transaction.
Car will be shipped by a third party to the consumer's residence and unloaded. A Tesla representative will not be available for a walkthrough either in person, or by phone for some period of time (maybe three days).
Consumer will take the Tesla for State Inspection and Registration. Taxes due will be paid to NC at this time directly from the Consumer.
Service will be scheduled via Tesla in California and subcontracted to the Service Center in NC, if they deem appropriate.
Basically this winds up being little more than a PITA for NC owners. It still needs to be challenged/fixed, but I don't think this will prevent people from getting a Tesla if they want one.
Service Center and Gallery are setup as a different company.
Consumer will order via internet as normal. Transaction will be completed and paid for in California. IMO, NC has no authority to interfere with this transaction.
Car will be shipped by a third party to the consumer's residence and unloaded. A Tesla representative will not be available for a walkthrough either in person, or by phone for some period of time (maybe three days).
Consumer will take the Tesla for State Inspection and Registration. Taxes due will be paid to NC at this time directly from the Consumer.
Service will be scheduled via Tesla in California and subcontracted to the Service Center in NC, if they deem appropriate.
Basically this winds up being little more than a PITA for NC owners. It still needs to be challenged/fixed, but I don't think this will prevent people from getting a Tesla if they want one.
Electric700
Active Member
Let's call them! We need to make our voice heard, and promote the protection of Tesla's business model.
Leilani Munter is meeting with NC lawmakers today on Tesla's behalf as per her twitter account.
Apparently she is quite the Tesla fan: NASCAR's Leilani Münter Gets Tesla Model S, Goes Activist
Apparently she is quite the Tesla fan: NASCAR's Leilani Münter Gets Tesla Model S, Goes Activist
Yuri_G
Member
Anyone know when this is happening today?
http://www.thetimesnews.com/news/region-state/tesla-to-demonstrate-car-outside-legislature-1.147063
http://www.thetimesnews.com/news/region-state/tesla-to-demonstrate-car-outside-legislature-1.147063
Someone just tweeted a photo of a Tesla Model S being demo'd on the grounds of the North Carolina State Legislative Building:
Now is the time to strike. Let's call, email, tweet, Facebook, and otherwise bombard our representatives with opposition to this bill.
Yuri_G
Member
Yeah, I just checked it out. The representatives there were definitely intrigued and it was getting some passer-by attention even though it was parked on the west side of the legislative building kind of out of the way. First time seeing/sitting in a Model S for me, too!
bollar
Disgruntled Member
Not that it really matters, but you might want to vote in this Triangle Business Journal poll: Survey: Should Tesla be allowed to sell cars directly in North Carolina? - Triangle Business Journal
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