Jason71
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Just because You never know exactly how long it will take. It may be rare for YOU to charge for more than 30 minutes there but I live a long way from Heathrow.
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U.K. Supercharger Fees
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I don't think SuperChargers are going to be that big a deal for me going forward, sure if they are in the most convenient location I'll be using them, but if they aren't there seem to be more an more choices.
An annual long route I do is Oxford - Kintyre. Using SuperChargers I get to Charnock Richard for a first charge, which gets pretty busy and is v2 so you end up sharing. Next stop is Abington where you are pretty likely to have to queue in holiday times, and then share a V2.
Now I can skip them both, go a little further to the new Gridserve hub at Burton in Kendal, then either FasNed at Motherwell or Ionity in Glasgow. Saving a few £ doesn't really matter very much, but getting faster charging than a shared v2 will. I guess I'll see how busy these non-Tesla sites get.
An annual long route I do is Oxford - Kintyre. Using SuperChargers I get to Charnock Richard for a first charge, which gets pretty busy and is v2 so you end up sharing. Next stop is Abington where you are pretty likely to have to queue in holiday times, and then share a V2.
Now I can skip them both, go a little further to the new Gridserve hub at Burton in Kendal, then either FasNed at Motherwell or Ionity in Glasgow. Saving a few £ doesn't really matter very much, but getting faster charging than a shared v2 will. I guess I'll see how busy these non-Tesla sites get.
WannabeOwner
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Assuming I put 60kWh in that's £30. I suppose 10% is a difference that I would "notice", so £3 saving ... that's 6kWh and, say, 18 miles "saved". I won't be tolerating anything that is out-of-my-way for that saving ... but at, say, 20% saving I might put up with some extra miles, but if that is also time then "not much"
Lack of availability of such cheaper alternatives would be the conundrum (for now)
I would propose that if that was your commute you'd know about the choices, and if it is the once-a-year holiday you (i.e. a hypothetical ICE driver) are probably just rocking up at Motorway services and paying through the nose
[Heathrow Hilton] They used to provide a discount in Restaurant etc. Dunno if they still do? Might be a reason to "register" sooner
On a long journey then every time I stop for a meal
Bjorns trips, these days, seems to be "stop wherever convenient" and any brand of charger (although as a high mileage / frequent driver he has good local knowledge of course), so a glimpse of how it will be once UK infrastructure catches up with demand. Tipping point will be when ICE drivers start having to plan for "Where can I find a pump that hasn't been removed"
I went from a Model-S P90D to a LR Raven. Motorway Range went from about 250 miles to 300, and with it Supercharging from a couple of days a month to a few times a year (my out-and-back client visits mostly fit under the 300-mile trip). I don't know if >100kWh battery is ever likely to be a thing (except trucks / towing etc.), but improved efficiency, and also increased battery density (i.e. less weight) will bring more range-per-kWh. So maybe the "Average EV Car Choice" will move to better / more affordable range and thus less frequent charging on Trips? So fewer-charged and chargers-everywhere will solve the problem - in probably less than 5 year's time - not far removed from "your next car-change". Definitely only a short term problem IMO ...
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Undecided_2
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That’s what we did as we were topping up from 30% SOC as our final destination didn’t have any local chargers.
WannabeOwner
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why would you charge to 100%?!
it makes absolutely no sense. with 90% (or even 80%) you will drive for like 3 hours anyway. but charging last 10% is the least efficient time wise (and slowest)
You can charge from 10% to 80% in under 30 minutes, then drive for another 3 hrs (or stop at next SC before your destination) and charge back to 80% and it will take more or less same time than to wait to 100%
from 2% SOC
it's 26 minutes to reach 80%
it's 37 minutes to reach 90%
and from there, from 90% to 100% you charge at 17 or less kW and last 10% is another 20 minutes.
so in order to reach 100% from 90% you spend same time as you spend to charge from 2% to 80%... it makes absolutely no sense, time wise, to charge to 100%. you just wasting your time.
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WannabeOwner
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Because I need to eat, and in that time charging to 100% means I gain an extra, say, 30% over what I would get at a normal charge (10%-to-100% rather than 10%-to-70%), and that then means 30% less charging at the next stop (or skip that location for the next one).
For example, Alps to Home is about 2 hours charging (over the 700 miles). With a well placed 1-hour meal charger-stop (or an overnight stop to 100% on a destination charger) that leaves 3 x 20 minute stops. Otherwise it is 5 short-ish stops.
It does (in the app only, not the website) but only for paying customers.
It is a bit quirky though (or was, last time I used it - I'm no longer subscribed). It you filter on minimum 50kW and minimum 4 chargers at the site, it will happily show you sites with two rapids and two fast chargers. Which, whilst technically arguably what you asked for, is not really what you wanted.
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@Jason71 There is also this map which I find quite useful, maintained by hand by @Pixelmatt at the SpeakEV forums, which shows all hubs of 6 or more rapids (that are open to all EVs).
www.google.com
Thread here: Charging Hub Locations. If you find any hubs he's missed, post there and I'm sure he'll add them. BTW, if you're interested in keeping up with non-Tesla charging development, the Charging Locations subforum at SpeakEV is well worth following.
Electric Charging Hubs - Google My Maps
Every EV charging hub in the UK that has a minimum of 6 chargers running at the specified charging speed on a single connector type.
www.google.com
Thread here: Charging Hub Locations. If you find any hubs he's missed, post there and I'm sure he'll add them. BTW, if you're interested in keeping up with non-Tesla charging development, the Charging Locations subforum at SpeakEV is well worth following.
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Click on the map to bring up the map controls. Then click on the lightning bolt icon (below satellite view and traffic toggle) to bring up the charger location screen. Tap any Supercharger pin in the world to see its price.
Alternatively, click on NAVIGATE, then click on CHARGING, then click on any Supercharger pin in the world to see its price.
Prices will only show if you don't have free unlimited Supercharging. If you have FUSC, it will only show you the idle fees.
Lots of existing sites missing on that map, I find this one more complete and shows planned sites as well Where will the next ultra-rapid charging hubs be built?@Jason71 There is also this map which I find quite useful, maintained by hand by @Pixelmatt at the SpeakEV forums, which shows all hubs of 6 or more rapids (that are open to all EVs).
Electric Charging Hubs - Google My Maps
Every EV charging hub in the UK that has a minimum of 6 chargers running at the specified charging speed on a single connector type.
Thread here: Charging Hub Locations. If you find any hubs he's missed, post there and I'm sure he'll add them. BTW, if you're interested in keeping up with non-Tesla charging development, the Charging Locations subforum at SpeakEV is well worth following.
Jason71
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No but bear in mind the V2 is old now. Most of the rival ones that were put in at the same time as V2 chargers could only manage 50KW max anyway so were no better than a V2 that was sharing.
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RedMod3
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I did a 1,100 return trip to Scotland recently and the cost of superchargers was £132 for 22 hours on the road which is £6 an hour. I'm not going to nickel and dime over 50p/kWh costs at £6/hour. Besides, this trip was my first use of superchargers in the 18 months I'd owned the car, so I took the cost on the chin. Range anxiety evaporated after the first charge and 2 hours of driving.
RedMod3
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Thanks, although the car started with 95%, but got back with around 30%. It's back up to 85% tonight from free solar charging.~11p a mile while using SCs. Not bad. Roughly half the cost ICE 40 mpg would do
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