Welcome to Tesla Motors Club
Discuss Tesla's Model S, Model 3, Model X, Model Y, Cybertruck, Roadster and More.
Register

Uber's Autonomous car IS same as Tesla Autopilot: No DMV permit required

This site may earn commission on affiliate links.
Rejoice!

High-tech Uber vehicles back in SF — this time for mapping

“These cars are being used for Uber’s mapping purposes only,...They are being driven manually at all times and their self-driving systems are disabled.”

q:100
It looks like it's about to signal aliens, like Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
 
  • Funny
Reactions: wesley888
Thanks Tam. I read through that document. It's interesting that the document describes the conditions for manufacturers to "test" their vehicles on public roads but the regulations do not appear to apply to Tesla selling autonomous vehicles to the public. My reading of those regulations indicates that every Tesla AP car of any version qualifies as an "autonomous vehicle" because it can drive itself to some limited degree without active human input.

So for Tesla to "test" its AP cars it has to abide by the published regulations, but Tesla can sell its AP cars to anyone and owners can use AP on public roads and those same regulations do not apply to them.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/c...;CACHEID=d48f347b-8815-458e-9df2-5ded9f208e9e

CA DMV does not require an Autonomous Car company to turn in their logs BECAUSE of accidents.

Autonomous Car companies routinely turn in their Disengagement Reports annually whether there was an accident or not.

Non-Autonomous Car operators do not have to file an accident report if a property damage is less than $750.

Autonomous Car companies do not have an exemption clause for accidents less than $750 damages. Thus, they have to file Accident Report no matter how much a damage is.
 
...it can drive itself to some limited degree without active human input...

Autonomous definition cited by the regulation means driving with no human intervention.

It does not mention "limited degree."

A conventional cruise control with a very good wheel alignment on a leveled straight test track can drive itself for a limited time but that is still not defined as Autonomous.

It is true that in real life, Autonomous still requires human intervention so it is not true Autonomous.

On the first round, Uber argued that because its test cars still require human intervention, so it is not real Autonomous and don't force it to obtain the permit.

The DMV revoked Uber's registration because it's testing purpose was for Autonomous despite of Uber's rationale that its human still controlled their cars.

Now it came back with a very clear intention: Manual driving and with no Autonomous Testing so it does not have to pay for Autonomous Vehicle Test Permit this second round.

...every Tesla AP car of any version qualifies as an "autonomous vehicle" because it can drive itself to some limited degree without active human input.

Tesla does have Autonomous Vehicle Test Permit for those Tesla manufacturer ones that enable Autonomous mode.

The rest of current customer-owned fleet do not have Autonomous Vehicle Test Permit because its mode is not enabled.

Current customer-owned fleet Autopilot is not considered Autonomous but as "assisting" system which is also agreed by NHTSA recent conclusion in the Florida Autopilot death investigation.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/24/...ymo-uber-google-lawsuit.html?mwrsm=Email&_r=0

Uber blamed running red light was the fault of its human and it suspended a driver.

Now, two unamed Uber employees (due to nondisclosure agreements) showed internal Uber documents that said the system failed six traffic lights: “In this case, the car went through a red light,”

I don't see what's the big deal in being transparent and admitting that the system can fail.

And when it does, just go back to the drawing board and improve it. There's no need to suspend or penalize anyone.