goRt
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Tesla isn't level 2 autonomous, but my 2014 VW golf could cope with lane changes without being scared, it's safe to assume all VAG cars with the same tech have no issues
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[UK] 2022.12.x
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Hmm, look beyond the marketing brochure. You would find countries like US and Germany preparing and certifying roads as suitable for autonomous driving. The UK is in a party mood, so nothing is happening here. Only recently even Tesla has really started testing the UK roads with lidar enabled cars to identify the issues.
I had the opposite issue where my family were so happy with a Tesla we ended up selling an otherwise good X5! With a USB Hub, I could connect two Xbox controllers, so all charging sessions are now fun. Folks may not realise but an X5 petrol at 18-20 mpg actually requires more fuelling stops than a model Y.
Tesla is L2 as per SAE. Yuck, even a Nissan Leaf is L2. VW golf must have never had those safety features in the first place to detect accidental lane changes. My Nissan Leaf was equally faulty, so I turned them all off on day one itself. Fortunately, on most cars, you can disable settings permanently but not a Tesla which is a separate story.
The lanes were no narrower than any other part that I drove on from Wakefield to Mansfield tbh. I’d even gone past other trucks etc with no incidents which made it even more random. I’m not saying the M3 is any worse than any other ACC tbf either. Just that if they want an autonomous car they need to sort this out first. Cruise control is meant to give a relaxing drive not an edge of the seat roller coaster
. My wife’s response to these incidents was quite simply “turn that crap off, it’s dangerous”. If cruise control cannot be used without covering the accelerator then it has no purpose as I may as well just use my foot always.
It sounds like a you need a drivers car like a BMW or a Porsche and not an autonomous car that tries to replace humans and their bad behaviour. Tell your wife how the system works and why it brakes and why such a system could work well in the future. If she still insists on using a different car perhaps get her an Uber or some other car for her liking?The lanes were no narrower than any other part that I drove on from Wakefield to Mansfield tbh. I’d even gone past other trucks etc with no incidents which made it even more random. I’m not saying the M3 is any worse than any other ACC tbf either. Just that if they want an autonomous car they need to sort this out first. Cruise control is meant to give a relaxing drive not an edge of the seat roller coaster
If cruise control cannot be used without covering the accelerator then it has no purpose as I may as well just use my foot always.
Had an interesting conversation with a BMW salesman the other day about similar. I went for a nosy at the I4 (not overly impressed lol). I asked about adaptive & said I wasn’t a fan. His answer was “ you & I learned to drive when it was taught to look well ahead, nowadays people are taught to rely in the tech!”
To me it’s a shame we have become so dependent on something/ someone else looking out for us, we can no longer take responsibility for ourselves
♂. It’s a general dumbing down of society by inventing things that do everything for us. Wonder when automatic arse wiping will occur after having a *sugar*
You tell her. I'd pay to watch.
MrBadger
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You are not looking in the right places.
I can tell you from first hand experience (I use to work in the industry) that a huge amount is going on.
And how is that supposed to soothe someone who was woken up by an emergency braking from 75 to 50 and can only think about how lucky it is there wasn't someone behind? Am I supposed to say that our sacrifice would have been part of humanity's grand journey to obsolescence?
Im prepared to bet that Musk has a better chance of sending a rocket to Mars in the next ten years than bringing his fleet of robotaxis (which only needs proper FSD, after all) online.
My wife’s not a fan either, but she also tends to not drive on long trips. So if she’s snoozing in the passenger seat I like the relatively lower mental load of autpilot. I do hover my foot over the accelerator just in case which isn’t ideal, but I prefer to use it than not.
As I said I’m not saying the TACC on the M3 is any worse than othe ACC cars ( shame it’s getting pushed on all from what I’ve read). The Passat ACC was awful too, so is wifey’s Hyundai Kona E, she knows how it should work, problem is it doesn work as it should
. But let’s stick a sentence in like “get her an Uber” why not, Tesla can’t be wrong can it
I did my first long trip on version .12 .3 2 (580 miles)and found that it was much easier at not grabbing on lane capture. Much less pressure on the steering wheel to stop the nagging. Almost no phantom braking and the 2 incidents were just to slow a couple of miles per hour not severe by any means.
The downside was that I couldn't cross 2 lanes without the car taking control " for my safety" I was indicating every time, I tried changing one lane, waiting a few seconds and then moving over, moving over in one move. I tried different things.. but discovered that as long as I was indicating continuously into the second lane.. I'd get the warning. So I had to indicate for each lane. And the other downside is that the car wanted to take every exit. The first couple of times were quite a snatch which came as a shock but I managed to correct. But as I came south the snatching became less and less.. perhaps it was the way the lines were painted in Aberdeenshire but I could feel a gentle snatch to the left at almost every motorway exit.
At least things seem to be getting better, I'm looking forward to the next rear braking whilst little regen update. I think that will help keep the rear discs cleaner.
The downside was that I couldn't cross 2 lanes without the car taking control " for my safety" I was indicating every time, I tried changing one lane, waiting a few seconds and then moving over, moving over in one move. I tried different things.. but discovered that as long as I was indicating continuously into the second lane.. I'd get the warning. So I had to indicate for each lane. And the other downside is that the car wanted to take every exit. The first couple of times were quite a snatch which came as a shock but I managed to correct. But as I came south the snatching became less and less.. perhaps it was the way the lines were painted in Aberdeenshire but I could feel a gentle snatch to the left at almost every motorway exit.
At least things seem to be getting better, I'm looking forward to the next rear braking whilst little regen update. I think that will help keep the rear discs cleaner.
Don't jinx it! A couple of updates ago I thought to myself it's been really good the last couple of drives, with no significant phantom breaking at all. The very next drive, I had a severe phantom breaking episode....
PR-UK
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Same.
Hopefully sorts out the dashcam reliability that I'd had no issue with until 2022.12.3.2.
Also had (I think) an issue today after pre-cooling the car after the work the cabin temperature was still pretty warm and the fans whilst in auto didn't really seem bothered to push out much cold air. Did a reboot once I got home and was going to check it tomorrow.
Hopefully sorts out the dashcam reliability that I'd had no issue with until 2022.12.3.2.
Also had (I think) an issue today after pre-cooling the car after the work the cabin temperature was still pretty warm and the fans whilst in auto didn't really seem bothered to push out much cold air. Did a reboot once I got home and was going to check it tomorrow.
Katic1972
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2022.12.3.16 downloaded now, amazing that i didn’t even have to come on here and moan about not getting it first. I must be back in Elons good books.
Weird that the rest of the worl is being given 16.x and Europe is only just being pushed 12.3.16Has 2022.12.3.16 cured the dashcam issues? I've not been offered the download yet.
Well my M3P is running 2022.16.1.1 and I think the UK still is part of Europe if not the EU
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