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UK Models S basic build spec/price/orders

Discussion in 'The UK and Ireland' started by Dan43, Nov 19, 2013.

  1. Dan43

    Dan43 Member

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    Hi,

    Having dallied for ages now and nearly buying a Roadster last year (just too expensive for UK models) and waiting for UK Model S pricing I am still not sure. I have a charger already installed and waiting (it was £75.00 for the 32 amp version via a grant).

    Super charger enabled I can wait for.
    Tech pack not too bothered. Maps is easy to do via Bluetooth.
    60 kWh vs 85kWh is 70 miles range but I am not sure that is worth the extra £7400.00


    The only items I consider are :
    High Fidelity Sound (personal choice I love my music)
    Dual Charger
    Sub zero weather package

    So a basic Model S with Government Grant at £5000 of gives a price of £49.900 plus delivery fees, which I would be happy with, I wonder what else most UK order holders will go for as it gets really expensive adding the extras.

    Also how many orders are there. On another UK thread we hear 200 orders, I imagine 25% will drop out, leaving 175 actual cars on a deposit.

    Just be good to get other possible UK order holders thoughts and ideas on all the options, plus the business benefits. 100% writing down for 1st year ownership (meaning for me leaving the purchase until next April 2014) would give a real world 15-20% extra off the asking price, plus my part exchange would probably bring the actual out of pocket cost on the basic model.

    What are the rest of potential UK purchasers thinking right now.

    Best
    Dan43 Cotswolds
     
  2. nwarddrfc

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    when i was guessing a prices i expected a lot more but the prices have really shocked me pity I am still 40K too short lol.

    like yourself if i was to order one i would probably go for the 40kwh car in red with pano roof

    19'' cyclone wheels
    black leather
    carbon trim
    supercharger
    dual chargers

    would like the tech pack but wouldnt need half the stuff on it

    which puts the car at 60k and that doesnt even come with fog lamps sorry but has elon set foot in the north of England these should be standard on a 60k car
     
  3. jontracey

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    I have just placed my order but I went back and forth on the value of the dual chargers, in the end I decided I did not need it, there are very few type 2 chargers that can do more than 7kw in the UK, and a lot of the big fast chargers being deployed are CHAdeMO type so better to save the cost of the second charger and buy the crazy overpriced adaptor for that
     
  4. dpeilow

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    That's not strictly true. All the Ecotricity dual AC/DC chargers support 63A 3P, so you will get the full 22kW of a dual charger. Same with the CYC ones. That's still not in the league of a 50kW CHAdeMO but I think you are going to see a lot of 22kW sites installed once the Model S rolls out here.
     
  5. jontracey

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    I was told that the AC side of the Ecotricity chargers is for Zoe only as it has a female plug that is compatible with that car. I did enquire about plugging a type 2 cable into the end of the chargers cable but was told this would not work
     
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    The Zoe has the same gender of socket as the Model S. So it will almost certainly work.
     
  7. jontracey

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    not sure the gender really matters its plugging a type 2 to type 1 cable into the end of the female connector on the fast charger that is the issue, I dont think it was designed to do that
     
  8. GSP

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    You should be able to plug the Type 2 plug from any 63 A 3-phase station directly into a euro-spec Model S. The Model S will use only 16 A with single charger, or 32 A if equipped with dual chargers.

    GSP
     
  9. jontracey

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    are they shipping with a type two male to tesla connector ?

    I thought it was only a type 1 to telsa connector

    Ecotricity points have an attached type 2 female lead/connector so you would need to adapt that to fit the model s
     
  10. dpeilow

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    #10 dpeilow, Nov 30, 2013
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    Jon, you can plug the rapid charger straight into the Model S. You do not need a Type 1 to Type 2 cable in the middle.

    The European car uses a Type 2 inlet on the car. GSP has it exactly right.


    EDIT: Here is Mark Gemmell's car plugged in to the same DBT-CEV charger at a French Ikea.

    photo1.jpg
     
  11. jontracey

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    Thats cool, I was told this would not work, is the same true for other cars, could you charge a leaf this way ?

    Assume the type 2 to type 1 cable has another adaptor for the model S charge port on the end of the type 1 J1772 connector ?
     
  12. dpeilow

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    The hard wired Type 2 plug on those Ecotricity/Ikea rapid chargers will work with any car that has a Type 2 socket on it. Currently that is Model S, Renault Zoe, Smart ED, Volvo V60 PHEV, BMW i3 and shortly will include cars from Mercedes, Audi and VW. Of that list, only the Renault Zoe can take the full 43kW (63A) and the others are restricted to 22kW or lower.

    To charge the Model S from other types of (socketed) charging posts, you will need a Type 2 to Type 2 cable. Get the 3 phase version of course.

    Regarding Type 1, this is now obsolete in the context of Model S in Europe - you don't need to worry about it :)


    So a Leaf or Ampera can't plug into the AC side of these Ecotricity chargers, but the Leaf will use the CHAdeMO DC plug.
     
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    Damn, I was looking for one of those Type2 - Type2 cables when I was finalising my order. Didn't find one so ended up ordering the Tesla cable for twice the price as zercarbonworld.
     
  14. jontracey

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    sorry but I thought the tesla model S only had room for the tesla charging adaptor behind the little flap, do the european ones have two sockets, if only a type 2 how do you use superchargers ?
     
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    Jon, the European Model S connector is a Type 2. Tesla figured out how to also use it for supercharging.
     
  16. jontracey

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    ah ok, thats was not made clear to me when I ordered mine, so need to think about replacing my home type 1 charging station now :-(
     
  17. dpeilow

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    That's right. I recommend you look at the ZCW charging station kits as you can then change the cable to suit your needs.

    They are pretty easy to build and high quality. I made a Type 1 portable unit from these parts.
     
  18. jontracey

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    I should be able to get a free one (well pay a little to upgrade to 32amp) from one of the providers like chargemaster, since I was one of the idiots who paid full price to British Gas to install one before they started giving them away free
     
  19. dpeilow

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    Yes, in that case do that. Of course if you have the 11kW charger then on single phase it will only draw 16A.

    Do you have a Type 1 car now that uses the old one?
     
  20. jontracey

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    yes i have a 16amp unit for my leaf with a tethered J1772 so really its just about swapping it for a type 2 version, have only specced the Model S with a single charger so not sure 32amp will be needed and to be honest overnight chargering should be fine
     

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