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Wiki UK Supercharger Site News

ianto999

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Sep 8, 2019
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my in car (M3) map shows fewer stalls than I think are really supposed to be there.
Is this out of date CCS data, and the in car map will correct to the 'full' amount?
 

LukeT

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Apr 9, 2019
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True, but they could guesstimate using the set charge limit by the driver and the required charge on the nav’s next waypoint.

Even if they suggest a stall next to the car with the highest SoC as they’re the most likely to be nearly finished.

Or even a UI pop up/app notification to ask duration or SoC is required, which can then be relayed on..

If a random car turns up to the SuC without setting it in Nav first, then they lose out on stall suggestions.

It doesn’t have to be over complicated. All better solutions than just turning up, rolling a dice to see who’s looking to move on next. Which is what is currently happening, on a frequent basis in UK at peak times.

Good ideas but overall I just hope they increase the number of stalls enough over time to reduce the problem.

I'm no electrician. Why is it that they are paired rather than power balanced over the whole site? With whole site sharing the site would need to be pretty full to start to make a material difference to the last arrival's charging speed because quite a few cars at any given point in time would only be taking 60-90kw and a few much less. Anyway, I read somewhere that V3s are individual - no sharing concern - which should simplify things.

Add in a little ultra-short-term storage on the site and the majority of peaks and troughs could be smoothed out I'd have thought.
 

WannabeOwner

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Nov 2, 2015
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SuperchargerInfo showing a new site at Stockport has started Construction

Location looks like the Tesla Manchester-South Sales and Service Centre, not sure how much space they have there (4 stalls indicated)
 

Roy W.

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Jun 3, 2019
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SuperchargerInfo showing a new site at Stockport has started Construction

Location looks like the Tesla Manchester-South Sales and Service Centre, not sure how much space they have there (4 stalls indicated)
When I was there for service on 17 October there was building work going on on the right as you turn in. A section along the boundary fence was cordoned off and there were two men digging. I didn’t take too much notice, just cussing because there was even fewer car parking spaces ;)
 

jimbo_hippo

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Sep 15, 2019
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Manchester UK
When I was there for service on 17 October there was building work going on on the right as you turn in. A section along the boundary fence was cordoned off and there were two men digging. I didn’t take too much notice, just cussing because there was even fewer car parking spaces ;)
I popped in this week and it is indeed the Stockport Service Centre. The bodies of the superchargers are installed as of about Thursday but still fenced off. Definitely Superchargers of they're all the same with the hoop design and red/white bodies.
 

vitesse

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Apr 2, 2019
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Sorry if I'm a bit thick :) Are all Supercharger sites now 100% CCS or are 100% of Supercharger sites at least partially CCS?

Also - has anyone had a CCS upgrade to their pre-facelift Model S?

I don't need CCS (I think) but these are gaps in my knowledge I need filling! :D
 

arg

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Aug 22, 2012
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Also - has anyone had a CCS upgrade to their pre-facelift Model S?

I don't need CCS (I think) but these are gaps in my knowledge I need filling!

Getting the CCS upgrade to your car is completely unrelated to the CCS supercharger issue - CCS superchargers is only an issue for Model 3 (which requires them), Model S requires the old-style supercharger cable regardless of whether the CCS upgrade has been done. Probably there will eventually be a change to Model S so that it takes CCS directly (and becomes equivalent to the Model 3 for charging), but at present CCS on Model S is via an adapter to account for the plug shape and an upgrade within the car to handle the communications.

So, whether or not you need the CCS upgrade to your car is an issue of what sort of non-Tesla public charging you need. I would suggest that for most people wanting to use the Model S as an 'only' or 'primary' car then you probably need access to public rapid charging, though it will depend where in the country you are starting from and what sort of driving you do.

For Model S, the choices are the CHAdeMO adapter (which is a complex device with electronics in it but requires no upgrade to the car) or the CCS adaptor (which is a smaller, mechanical-only adapter but needs an upgrade to the car before you can use it).

Right now we are at a tipping point. In the past, almost anywhere with CCS also had CHAdeMO and the CHAdeMO was typically more reliable, so the CHAdeMO was the better bet and having got one there was no point in getting CCS as well. However, CCS-only locations are starting to spring up (notably ionity) and in the future clearly CCS will be the better bet. Right now, CHAdeMO is probably slightly more useful (on account of the reliability issue), but having both would be ideal.
 
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WannabeOwner

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Model-S/X cars now come with the upgrade and adaptor. To upgrade older cars to CCS then have to pay for both the upgrade and the adaptor.

Not sure when the change-over occurred.

Just curious : does the Model-S/X CCS upgrade work with CCS at Supercharger stalls? Not that anyone would need to (excepting broken cable and no other stall free etc.), but I thought the CCS at Supercharger was proprietary, so might not work with Model-S/X CCS adaptor?
 

vitesse

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Apr 2, 2019
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Thanks @arg - useful info - as always.

My question was based on advising someone else with a Model 3.

I've never needed anything other than old fashioned Type 2 AC and superchargers. There is a chance we might be doing more driving on the continent so consideration of a Chademo adapter might be required then.

I had also not yet come across anyone who had had the Tesla CCS mod done to their pre-facelift MS, promoting me to wonder if it was actually possible.
 

Derek25

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Sep 24, 2019
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Model-S/X cars now come with the upgrade and adaptor. To upgrade older cars to CCS then have to pay for both the upgrade and the adaptor.

Not sure when the change-over occurred.

Just curious : does the Model-S/X CCS upgrade work with CCS at Supercharger stalls? Not that anyone would need to (excepting broken cable and no other stall free etc.), but I thought the CCS at Supercharger was proprietary, so might not work with Model-S/X CCS adaptor?

I think it must do. I saw a Model S using the CCS cable and adaptor at a supercharger and it seemed to be working. Not sure why they were doing it.
 
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IanMcL

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Jan 13, 2019
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I was grumbling that my 2016 S is slower charging nowadays. I thought I would update with some good news!

Charged at Keele Southbound yesterday. 2 of the 4 were occupied. I plugged in at one of the spares. Only 21kw chargerate! After a couple of mins, I unplugged and tried the other. 26 for the opening...yuk. Then, it went back to 0 and started again at 61. Much better.

It routed me to Membury on way home, as well. At 12.30am ish I plugged in. 124kw! That went to 120 but stayed there for a time before slowly going down but still at high rates. Best I have ever had!
 
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LukeT

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Just curious : does the Model-S/X CCS upgrade work with CCS at Supercharger stalls? Not that anyone would need to (excepting broken cable and no other stall free etc.), but I thought the CCS at Supercharger was proprietary, so might not work with Model-S/X CCS adaptor?

Just to try the adapter out I tried mine at a supercharger once. It worked.
 

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