UMC-J1772 Adapter overview video

[scaesare]

Because the provider subsidizing the charger offering, gets to stipulate who can use it. It's no different than a sign that says "Charging for Hotel Guests"

There are some providers that stipulate "Space reserved for Electric Vehicle Charging", such as my employer. A Tesla is an EV. So is the Leaf. They qualify.

Some Nissan dealers stipulate "Nissan Charging Only". My Tesla doesn't qualify, regardless of adapter. Nor does a Chevy Bolt.

Not sure why the concept of a company offering additional perks for it's customers is so hard to grasp.

 

[scaesare]

So why does tesla make a 1772 and chademo adapter? It's ok for Tesla to use every charger out there but no one else can use a Tesla?

And incidentally, the answer to your question is "No".

It's ok for Tesla to provide an adapter to use any charger offered to a Tesla owner. But it's not OK for that owner to use "every charger out there" if it's not intended for them.

 

[bro1999]

And incidentally, the answer to your question is "No".

It's ok for Tesla to provide an adapter to use any charger offered to a Tesla owner. But it's not OK for that owner to use "every charger out there" if it's not intended for them.

Just like it's ok for any non-Tesla owner to use the adapter charge via Tesla destination stations if the business owner that hosts the stations says it's ok for them to use it.

 

[scaesare]

Just like it's ok for any non-Tesla owner to use the adapter charge via Tesla destination stations if the business owner that hosts the stations says it's ok for them to use it.

Unfortunately it appears that they may be doing so out of ignorance, as a that's not what Tesla stipulates the chargers are for:
TESLA DESTINATION CHARGING PROGRAM

And certainly the new adapter requiring a "defeat device" that's designed to spoof the proprietary handshake in order to make Gen2 HPWC's work with a non-Tesla vehicle is pretty clear indication that's not the intent.

 

[coconutboy84]

All Leafs are EV's. Not all EVs are Leafs

Yea, that works with inserting any EV name, so what's your point? Tesla makes a proprietary charger socket, but they turn around and make adapters so you can use everything not tesla? Pot meet Kettle.

MIC DROP.

 

[coconutboy84]

Im sure you have plugged into some random 14-30 or 14-50 ports in the world. how is that any different?

 

[Webeevdrivers]

Just like it's ok for any non-Tesla owner to use the adapter charge via Tesla destination stations if the business owner that hosts the stations says it's ok for them to use it.

Yah, and that’s the squishy area. If one of wineries in this area that has a TESLA HPWC puts up a sign that says something along the lines of “we allow only custumers with Tesla’s to charge here” then certainly their wishes should be respected. At one location we phoned before we went if they had Electric vehicle charging and they informed us “of course” and off we went. We got there and all they had was an HPWC. Talking to the owner he had no idea there were different formats. Since then we have purchased an adapter and it is no longer an issue but I think he has also purchased an adapter that he can lend his clients. What he would have liked to do is add another EVSE but last I heard there were some logistical challenges on that front. Don’t know for sure but we’ll be back there in about 8 weeks...with our adapter. . I might be getting the location confused with another with a similar problem but I think he was able to add a stove plug in a different location which works fine for us as we always have a 240 volt EVSE with us. We will continue to try and avoid using Tesla HPWC’s unless we are in a pinch.

If I was Elon I would put about 4 standard EVSE level 2 stations at each Supercharger. That way peons like me can go there and while I’m charging at 6.6 KW stare in wonder at all the pretty Tesla’s that come in and charge at a reliable fast Supercharger network. Huge advertising. We are thinking about putting our name on the Tesla 3 list for a 2020/2021 delivery. Quite honestly the biggest attraction is the Supercharger network. The model 3 itself, meh, nice car but missing a bunch of stuff we want...and that the new Leaf has...or at least the 2019 longer range version has.

 

[scaesare]

Im sure you have plugged into some random 14-30 or 14-50 ports in the world. how is that any different?

1) I've asked
2) There was no signage otherwise
3) I didn't do so while understanding there was other intent

I'm not vilifying the random person who in good faith asks and is given bad info by a proprietor. Or uses an adapter for a HPWC/TWC privately owned/purchased.

However if you know something isn't intended for your use, and you have to specifically by an adapter that has features to defeat the lockout... it's getting harder to make the case you are doing so out of ignorance.

 

[coconutboy84]

1) I've asked
2) There was no signage otherwise
3) I didn't do so while understanding there was other intent

I'm not vilifying the random person who in good faith asks and is given bad info by a proprietor. Or uses an adapter for a HPWC/TWC privately owned/purchased.

However if you know something isn't intended for your use, and you have to specifically by an adapter that has features to defeat the lockout... it's getting harder to make the case you are doing so out of ignorance.

1) I've asked
2) There was no signage otherwise
3) I didn't do so while understanding there was other intent

I'm not vilifying the random person who in good faith asks and is given bad info by a proprietor. Or uses an adapter for a HPWC/TWC privately owned/purchased.

However if you know something isn't intended for your use, and you have to specifically by an adapter that has features to defeat the lockout... it's getting harder to make the case you are doing so out of ignorance.

1) I've asked
2) There was no signage otherwise
3) I didn't do so while understanding there was other intent

I'm not vilifying the random person who in good faith asks and is given bad info by a proprietor. Or uses an adapter for a HPWC/TWC privately owned/purchased.

However if you know something isn't intended for your use, and you have to specifically by an adapter that has features to defeat the lockout... it's getting harder to make the case you are doing so out of ignorance.

yeah, you're really not getting the big picture here. Thats ok though, you will one day!

 

[bro1999]

Unfortunately it appears that they may be doing so out of ignorance, as a that's not what Tesla stipulates the chargers are for:
TESLA DESTINATION CHARGING PROGRAM

And certainly the new adapter requiring a "defeat device" that's designed to spoof the proprietary handshake in order to make Gen2 HPWC's work with a non-Tesla vehicle is pretty clear indication that's not the intent.

That website doesn't say anything about destination stations being exclusively for Tesla owners. What would really be more relevant is the agreement the establishment has to sign to participate in the destination charger program. Unless there is some "ONLY TESLA VEHICLES CAN USE THESE STATIONS" verbage, the establishment owner is fine letting anyone use the stations regardless of vehicle.

 

[LCR1]

Unfortunately it appears that they may be doing so out of ignorance, as a that's not what Tesla stipulates the chargers are for:
TESLA DESTINATION CHARGING PROGRAM

And certainly the new adapter requiring a "defeat device" that's designed to spoof the proprietary handshake in order to make Gen2 HPWC's work with a non-Tesla vehicle is pretty clear indication that's not the intent.

Maybe I missed it, can you point to the spot in your link where it says not intended for other brands?

 

[Webeevdrivers]

1) I've asked
2) There was no signage otherwise
3) I didn't do so while understanding there was other intent

I'm not vilifying the random person who in good faith asks and is given bad info by a proprietor. Or uses an adapter for a HPWC/TWC privately owned/purchased.

However if you know something isn't intended for your use, and you have to specifically by an adapter that has features to defeat the lockout... it's getting harder to make the case you are doing so out of ignorance.

Yah I get where you are coming from and you are obviously passionate about your position. There is a place for that. No ignorance here, we bought the adapter to specifically deal with what we believe is and will be a recurring sceenario. People associate the name Tesla and don’t even know anyone else builds an electric vehicle. In their minds the only charger they need is “Tesla charger”. We bought the adapter for that eventuality. If we buy a Tesla it will end up on EBay. If not it will continue to be a backup plan...and out of good manners we will continue to scede the right of first use to a Tesla owner.

Of course there may be business owners who truly only want Tesla owners at their business. That’s why it is best to ask first.

John.

 

[scaesare]

Maybe I missed it, can you point to the spot in your link where it says not intended for other brands?

Certainly not a prohibition. But when the page says:
"Tesla’s Supercharger and Destination Charging networks are continually expanding, offering Tesla drivers unparalleled convenience and comfort. Charging facilities installed on your property attract Tesla drivers to your business, providing both new and repeat customers."

It's clear who it's intended for. Then when they have to build the next gen HPWC with the ability to prevent J1772 charging, and you have to have a device t spoof that to work, the intention of both sides becomes more clear.

Just the same way that website that says "Hilton Customers Enjoy Complimentary Charging" doesn't specifically say the guy staying at the Motel 6 next door is prohibited or prefvent him from sneaking in to the parking lot to charge... but let's not kid ourselves that you don't know that's not the intention.

That having been said, clearly folks will justify action regardless... and there will likely be a cat and mouse game of prevention/defeat. Some folks here seem to be proudly part of that crowd.

 

[scaesare]

Yah I get where you are coming from and you are obviously passionate about your position. There is a place for that. No ignorance here, we bought the adapter to specifically deal with what we believe is and will be a recurring sceenario. People associate the name Tesla and don’t even know anyone else builds an electric vehicle. In their minds the only charger they need is “Tesla charger”. We bought the adapter for that eventuality. If we buy a Tesla it will end up on EBay. If not it will continue to be a backup plan...and out of good manners we will continue to scede the right of first use to a Tesla owner.

Of course there may be business owners who truly only want Tesla owners at their business. That’s why it is best to ask first.

John.

Which boils down to "I won't take something not intended for me unless I can capitalize on the ignorance of the proprietor and it happens to be particularly convenient for me."

I'm not suggesting it's a high crime. But it's certainly taking advantage.

 

[scaesare]

yeah, you're really not getting the big picture here. Thats ok though, you will one day!

Sure I do. We live in a world where people feel entitled.

This is by far a minor example... it's all around.

 

[LCR1]

Who's paying for the electricity? Who's paying for the maintenance on the charger?

 

[Webeevdrivers]

Which boils down to "I won't take something not intended for me unless I can capitalize on the ignorance of the proprietor and it happens to be particularly convenient for me."

I'm not suggesting it's a high crime. But it's certainly taking advantage.

Yah no. Not the same at all. Sorry you see something malicious and evil here.

Cheers and Safe travels.

John.

 

[scaesare]

Yah no. Not the same at all. Sorry you see something malicious and evil here.

Cheers and Safe travels.

John.

Your post in the previous thread on this did indicate it was a matter of convenience, no?:

We like to take sunday drives out to the many wineries in the valley but some are on the limit of the leafs range (30 KWH battery) so we either have to deviate to a fast charger or pick up an hour at the winery. We prefer the latter as many wineries have a place where you can enjoy a picnic lunch and enjoy a bottle of wine.

And you indicated the site owner was indeed ignorant of the intent, correct?:

Oh the service was intended for me as explained by the business owner. They didn’t realize that all EV’s couldn’t use it or they would have probably put a standard EVSE in instead of a Tesla destination charger

So how is my comment that you bought the adapter so you can use it when it's more convenient to not go out of your way to charge at a fast charger intended for you or that the owner wasn't ignorant of the issue incorrect?

 

[Webeevdrivers]

So maybe it’s not clear. We go on wine tours with the Leaf. A couple that we know of don’t have non Tesla EVSE’s. They want clients like us to go to their businesses, buy wine and charge our cars. This encourages business for them.

Dude, we are not going to see eye to eye on this. I respect your point of view but don’t agree with it. We should leave it there. This discussion would be much more worth pursuing if there was a bottle of tequila and two shot glasses between us on a table. Taking the dog for a walk.

John.

 

[DanL3]

Yah,.......

..... We are thinking about putting our name on the Tesla 3 list for a 2020/2021 delivery. Quite honestly the biggest attraction is the Supercharger network.

I agree that the Supercharger network is a Big Reason to Buy Tesla, But if you want a model 3 in 2020/2021 You better put your reservation in now.