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Now you are talking, hazard pay.I would do it if they pay me $200/month for Beta Testing..
Well said, I think the biggest issue is that FSD was overhyped and they set wrong expectations. If FSD was simply marketed as Advanced Driving Assistants, etc. instead of the promise of "Full Self Driving" then this wouldn't be such a big deal. I am in tech as well and understand these development lifecycles but the majority of buyers do not and they wind up with a lot of buyers remorse. The subscription is a good move, I think they should break out the features even further a la carte. Like NoA for $20 per month, otherwise most folks will not even subscribe at $200 per month, especially as Tesla tries to head downmarket where $200 a month is a lot of money to most people. Some folks buy EVs based on the economics and adding $200 a month so you can babysit your car changing lanes on the highway is going in the wrong direction financially. $200 a month covers insurance on two cars in our house.I always find it interesting the variety of answers that come from people on questions about self driving value. It seems to me that FSD is just one of those things that is either worthwhile for you personally or not. Its just a suite of tools really, like going to the hardware store, we all get to decide whether the additional suite of tools is needed for the work we're doing. If you never pound in nails you'll likely never buy a hammer, similarly if you drive from home to work on city streets and almost nothing else features like NOA might not be valuable or necessary.
Here's my take, there's a lot of jaded folks when you talk about FSD. Lots of people who feel that they've been shafted in the past by long term promises and early adoption, and that's their perogative and totally fine. Everyone gets to form their own opinion about all of the brands we do business with, but for folks trying to form an opinion about things sometimes you have to weed out the noise. Is FSD worth the entire $10k purchase right now for me, no its not. I work in software development and firmly believe in not buying software on future promises. Maybe I know too much about product lifecycle for software and it scares me for what could come out of a purchase like that. Is the subscription worth it for me, yes right now it is. We're planning on deactivating it in the winter months when our trip travel decreases but I'll tell you that personally I like lane change, stop lights on autopilot and the green light chime. They make a difference in my driving experience, and honestly NOA is nicer than I expected.
I think its worth it for people thinking about whether its worth it or not to buy it for a month and give it a shot, the actual worth of the features will depend on your driving style, your budget, your personal preferences, how well you understand the limitations of the system etc... So my .02 to the OP, give it a try, I was pleasantly surprised and we're going to keep it for at least a few months as of right now.
I completely agree, I understand the idea behind marketing it as full self driving, but man does it cause some heartache.Well said, I think the biggest issue is that FSD was overhyped and they set wrong expectations. If FSD was simply marketed as Advanced Driving Assistants, etc. instead of the promise of "Full Self Driving" then this wouldn't be such a big deal. I am in tech as well and understand these development lifecycles but the majority of buyers do not and they wind up with a lot of buyers remorse. The subscription is a good move, I think they should break out the features even further a la carte. Like NoA for $20 per month, otherwise most folks will not even subscribe at $200 per month, especially as Tesla tries to head downmarket where $200 a month is a lot of money to most people. Some folks buy EVs based on the economics and adding $200 a month so you can babysit your car changing lanes on the highway is going in the wrong direction financially. $200 a month covers insurance on two cars in our house.
Agreed. I think the use cases for spending $200 a month are hard to justify. You drive a lot and if you could truly trust the system then it could reduce a lot of driving fatigue but I doubt we will ever be able to really trust the existing system enough with the current hardware. It is a good first start but I feel like this is a 10-15 year challenge to solve. It is also way too expensive IMO. Adding $200 a month to a typical $600 car payment plus insurance is quite costly. Sure you have less overall maintenance and fuel costs with Tesla but not $2400 a year worth.I'd have a hard time paying for anything that doesn't allow me to truly get into the car, set a destination, sleep or otherwise completely check out from paying attention to the road, and get to the destination in roughly the same time as if I were driving.
Currently driving about 3,300 miles per month right now for work, most of that being in 4 x 10-11hr stretches, and I'd absolutely love for a system that would allow me to check out. I have tried adaptive cruise control pretty extensively in a 2014 Cadillac and am currently driving a rental 2021 truck that has lane keeping and will steer to keep you inside lines, but I wouldn't opt to pay one red cent for either of those.
How much I'd pay for being able to completely check out, well I'd need to test it and then see if I could offset costs by billing out some work when I'd otherwise be driving. $200/month or even more might make sense with this commute, but I don't know if I'd pay anything for just regular commutes to an office within like 20mins of my house. The cost would need to make sense relative to how much time I spend on the road.
Typing that out has made me wonder if we could see autonomous driving systems in the future that have pricing structures based on miles driven or something along those lines, feels like that would make a lot of sense
I gather you are not driving a Tesla now? The current AP for such long stretches is just fantastic. Great stress reliever and life saver.Currently driving about 3,300 miles per month right now for work, most of that being in 4 x 10-11hr stretches, and I'd absolutely love for a system that would allow me to check out.
Currently driving a rental 2021 truck that has Lane Keeping, but I turn that off most of the time because it often does weird adjustments that I wouldn't do.I gather you are not driving a Tesla now? The current AP for such long stretches is just fantastic. Great stress reliever and life saver.
RTFM before commenting, please.Driving a loaner with full FSD. ... Stupid car kept slowing and preparing to stop at green lights on a 60mph 6 lane divided hwy??? Great idea Tesla! Way to go.
Once it makes at least level 4 (which is 1 step below what Elon himself has promised to be in place within the next 5 months), then its worth maybe close to $10k to me.