No, we are comparing the SVCE Generation Service column to the PG&E Generation Service column. The rest of what you pay PG&E is from the Unbundled Rates table from the Tariff, excluding Generation.
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Understanding PGE/SVCE electricity bills/TrueUP
- Thread starter SMAlset
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Just got my first bill full NEM2 bill 6 weeks after getting PTO.
As expected, the actual grid usage isn't there since that will be on the true up in a little less than a year.
I have paired storaged. The only charge is a little less than $10 for the month of January and $3.86 for part of December (got PTO on 12/17) for "net energy metering paired storage".
Does this take the place of "minimum delivery charges" which was nowhere to be seen on the bill?
Also, there were no NBCs at all. As I understand it, NBCs are still paid monthly and not at true up since they cannot be offset.
Also, minimum delivery charges($120 for the year) get subtracted off any net usage as a credit at true-up time. Is the $10/month "net energy metering paired storage" treated the same way?
As expected, the actual grid usage isn't there since that will be on the true up in a little less than a year.
I have paired storaged. The only charge is a little less than $10 for the month of January and $3.86 for part of December (got PTO on 12/17) for "net energy metering paired storage".
Does this take the place of "minimum delivery charges" which was nowhere to be seen on the bill?
Also, there were no NBCs at all. As I understand it, NBCs are still paid monthly and not at true up since they cannot be offset.
Also, minimum delivery charges($120 for the year) get subtracted off any net usage as a credit at true-up time. Is the $10/month "net energy metering paired storage" treated the same way?
The charges that appeared on your blue bill are the Minimum Charges. If you have months that you also accrued energy charges in excess of the Minimum, you will be credited with that on the true-up. If you did not, the Minimum charge will stand as already paid. I don't know exactly how NBCs are shown in Paired Storage billing because I'm still on NEM1.
OK, then the "net energy metering paired storage" is JUST like "minimum delivery charges". So if I have a net usage at true-up of $120, these would just about offset that.
Is there anyway to see what my NBCs are currently?
I am in SVCE territory and had PTO in December. Got my first bill with NEM and it has no mention of SVCE in it.
Unlike miimura and SMAlset’s bills, the header of my NEM section says “Details of NEM Charges” instead of “Details of Silicon Valley Clean Energy Electric Generation Charges”. And it shows kWh rates at the fully loaded rate (~30 cents) instead of generation only.
I did not opt out of SVCE. In fact, I upgraded to GreenPrime upon installing solar.
Unlike miimura and SMAlset’s bills, the header of my NEM section says “Details of NEM Charges” instead of “Details of Silicon Valley Clean Energy Electric Generation Charges”. And it shows kWh rates at the fully loaded rate (~30 cents) instead of generation only.
I did not opt out of SVCE. In fact, I upgraded to GreenPrime upon installing solar.
Do you see Power Charge Indifference Adjustment? That would be a clue you are with a CCA.
Yes! I see PCIA. It’s a small negative amount (I had negative net usage). Maybe my bill is different because I’m on NEM2.
Sample Bill: solar, EV-A, NEM1, SVCE, before Powerwalls
This is the first month of my new true-up after I enrolled in SVCE Green Prime. Only the Minimum Delivery Charges on Page 5 are payable on the current bill. The NEM charges accumulate on the PG&E true-up and the Generation charges accumulate on the SVCE true-up balance. If the SVCE balance is positive, it will be payable on the current bill. Credit balances carry forward.
Please notice on Page 6, the Generation Credit, PCIA and FFS. Those three components are all indications that you are on a CCA.
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This is the first month of my new true-up after I enrolled in SVCE Green Prime. Only the Minimum Delivery Charges on Page 5 are payable on the current bill. The NEM charges accumulate on the PG&E true-up and the Generation charges accumulate on the SVCE true-up balance. If the SVCE balance is positive, it will be payable on the current bill. Credit balances carry forward.
Please notice on Page 6, the Generation Credit, PCIA and FFS. Those three components are all indications that you are on a CCA.
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Sample Bill: Solar, EV2-A, NEM1, SVCE, with Powerwalls
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There is no Detail of NEM Charges on the blue bill with the Powerwall Paired Storage billing.
I never noticed before that the plain solar billing had 4 decimal places of kWh in the calculations and Paired Storage billing is only whole kWh. The black and white Paired Storage bill is also whole kWh only, even though 3 decimal places of zeros are shown in most places.
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There is no Detail of NEM Charges on the blue bill with the Powerwall Paired Storage billing.
I never noticed before that the plain solar billing had 4 decimal places of kWh in the calculations and Paired Storage billing is only whole kWh. The black and white Paired Storage bill is also whole kWh only, even though 3 decimal places of zeros are shown in most places.
You should get the Black and White bill in the mail, or you can dig it out of your PG&E online account.
In the title bar after you log in on the pge.com web site, look for a pull down box with your account number. Pull down the box and select My Accounts and Services.
On that page you will see a list of your Service IDs. Click one of the Service IDs. You will see the list of Service IDs again in a table with the Service Details listed below. Look for Download Detail of Bill at the bottom. If that is not displayed, look in the table for the Service ID with Available listed in the last column Detail of Bill and click the corresponding radio button.
Pull down the list of bills next to Download Detail of Bill and select one to download.
That is how you download the Paired Storage black and white bill.
The only bill or document I can find is the bill that shows the "net energy metering paired storage" charges. Nothing else.
I am on NEM2 and my bill is 9 pages. Page 1 is the summary including gas charges. Pages 3,4,5 & 6 are various NEM charges and PG&E detail. Page 7 is Sonoma Clean Power Electric Generation Charges and pages 8 & 9 are gas charges.
I am looking at a download from 2017 and I don't see any rate information. I could calculate it from the kWhs and dollars.
