Unveiling on Oct 17th

[Garlan Garner]

This raises a lot of questions...

1. what about the just introduced radar-focused AP? Sounds like the new HW will be relying on cameras much more again
2. the fact that apparently all of the current AP features won't work hints to a complete re-haul of the AP architecture (related to point 1)
3. what about sensor redundancy?
4. How will charging work in the L5 world?

All feels "unfinished" and rushed somehow...

Doesn't seem rushed to me at all.

 

[Tam]

All feels "unfinished" and rushed somehow...

Incremental improvements has be Tesla's practice and this is not an exception.

 

[Xminus6]

So... not to rain on any parades... but straw poll: if you are taking delivery of an S or X with the new hardware, how do you feel about the fact that when you get it, you might not be able to use:

• automatic emergency breaking
• collision warning
• lane holding
• active cruise control

All features that, last time I checked, were pretty much among the reasons why anyone would want to pay for autopilot.

What are your thoughts?

It all depends on how long it takes them to tally up the required amount of miles. I'm right in this boat as my Model X order will be confirmed on Friday. I really didn't want to upgrade from my Model S (pre-AP) until the new AP suite was introduced. So it looks like I'm timing it reasonably well.

I was considering buying an inventory car that I test drove last weekend but that's obviously out the window now. I can wait for better AP performance knowing that I'll benefit from it for the majority of my ownership even if it's inconvenient for a couple months (or so).

 

[Garlan Garner]

You would think that there would be a reveal link on Tesla.com.

 

[drannie]

FFS. My car was built end September as is currently on a boat to Holland for drive train and final work. Have I metaphorically missed the boat! Email to now over flowing DS inbox.

 

[Tam]

automatic emergency breaking

Would you please stop "breaking" the spelling of "braking."

 

[P85DEE]

WTF???? This was the big announcement that had to be postponed Monday?

Talk about underwhelming.

 

[MorrisonHiker]

$5000 for Enhanced Autopilot + $3000 for Full self driving

Sounds like Enhanced Autopilot is the trifocal camera plus the rear camera. Full self driving enables 4 other cameras and can be enabled at a later date.

Some Superchargers will have automatic charging connection capabilities.

 

[McManX]

And.....how much for a retrofit

Hope he says it will be available during Q/A

 

[jkliu47]

Found in updated Order Page:

Enhanced Autopilot $5000 ($6000 upgrade after delivery)
Full Self Driving Capability $3000 ($4000 upgrade after delivery)

 

[Garlan Garner]

So... not to rain on any parades... but straw poll: if you are taking delivery of an S or X with the new hardware, how do you feel about the fact that when you get it, you might not be able to use:

• automatic emergency breaking
• collision warning
• lane holding
• active cruise control

All features that, last time I checked, were pretty much among the reasons why anyone would want to pay for autopilot.

What are your thoughts?

You are raining on a lot of parades. You have no reference that you will not be able to use anything.

 

[Owner]

boring...

 

[Tam]

You would think that there would be a reveal link on Tesla.com.

I don't think there is a reveal ceremony for this event. You'll just have to wait for the press who were able to participate in a live telephone conference.

 

[rog]

Incremental improvements has be Tesla's practice and this is not an exception.

Incremental - sure. But it has been something like what - 6 weeks? - when the switch away from cameras and focusing on radar was made (saying that that would improve AP a lot), and now things will go back to mainly cameras (my interpretation)?

Oh, and let me add another question:

4. by when does Tesla expect to have current level of AP features available again on the new platform?

 

[Mkorpal]

FFS. My car was built end September as is currently on a boat to Holland for drive train and final work. Have I metaphorically missed the boat! Email to now over flowing DS inbox.

Who the hell knows. I know for sure if it were me, I'd be calling your reps up tomorrow to find out. It's a pretty massive swing in re-sale value.

 

[NeverEnough]

Is anyone else getting 500 errors when trying to place an order?

 

[Gwgan]

From new Model X page. 4 cameras for $5k, add $3 for full autonomy.
Wasn't that promised along with the folding middle seats?

 

[ttupper92618]

You are raining on a lot of parades. You have no reference that you will not be able to use anything.

Yeah, I do... because their blog states exactly that:

"Before activating the features enabled by the new hardware, we will further calibrate the system using millions of miles of real-world driving to ensure significant improvements to safety and convenience. While this is occurring, Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency braking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control."

 

[Garlan Garner]

WTF???? This was the big announcement that had to be postponed Monday?

Talk about underwhelming.

Isn't there a M3 unveiling? Why would you need to delay a reveal for something that you can't visually display?

 

[Owner]

For those with existing AP cars <I have a pre-AP vintage>, you may get a car with a lot of extra hardware but it will likely be quite a while before you can legally drive them while sleeping.