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The video for the city council of Norway for the 12/21 meeting is now online. They begin discussing the ChargePoint charger at 33:22 into the video. TL;DW:
ChargePoint rates:
Rates cover costs of electricity and station. No indication of activation date.
- $0.3149/kWh - on-peak
- $0.2456/kWh - off-peak
- $2.20 connection fee
I think they will end up rounding up the cost to the nearest cent so $0.32/kWh on-peak and $0.25/kWh off peak unless ChargePoint can handle sub-cent charges.
The rates should show up on the rate sheet here soon: The City of Norway, MI
Those kWh rates look reasonable, but I've never understood why some sites charge a connection fee. Are they charged that by ChargePoint? Otherwise, it just seems to incentivize longer charges when it would be better to incentivize shorter charges...
I think connection fees are needed to offset demand charges which are charged by utilities on top of the kWh rate and are determined by the peak demand in kW. Those demand charges can be reduced by usage of a battery to handle spikes in peak demand, which is something that the bigger Tesla Supercharger sites are starting to do.
Good point about it encouraging longer charges but per minute charges on top of per kWh charges aren’t particularly popular with EV owners.I understand they have to pay demand charges, but does it cost the city more if someone does two 10 kWh charges vs one 20 kWh charge? If not, then the connection fee only serves to incentivize people to sit there and charge to 100%, thus hogging the resource, compared to adding fees by the minute or just charging by the kWh. Of course, there may not initially be too much competition for use of this charger in Norway, MI.
No, 1 x 20kWh session vs 2 x 10kWh sessions shouldn't make a difference to the city's cost. The issue is that the station is going to be a pretty minimally utilized resource. I'm sure the rate schedule is designed to meet a certain minimum revenue threshold based on their expected number of charging sessions and kWhs of electricity dispensed per month. With more sessions, it's easier to get away from a pricey "connection fee" and instead make that money by spreading it out over all the volumetric charges (i.e. raising the price per kWh a little bit). But with a station that doesn't get many charging sessions, that isn't really a very good strategy.I understand they have to pay demand charges, but does it cost the city more if someone does two 10 kWh charges vs one 20 kWh charge? If not, then the connection fee only serves to incentivize people to sit there and charge to 100%, thus hogging the resource, compared to adding fees by the minute or just charging by the kWh. Of course, there may not initially be too much competition for use of this charger in Norway, MI.
Good point about it encouraging longer charges but per minute charges on top of per kWh charges aren’t particularly popular with EV owners.
Sure beats slow charging at a campground or the very limited J1772s up there.
They would need more grant money to fund additional changers. Current charger is not located where bathrooms or food service is. One has to walk 1-1.5 blocks to gas station for this. McDonalds is like 4 blocks away on US2. The location is not well lighted for night time use.I'd like to use Norway as an example when talking to some other Yooper towns. Anybody who charges there, please consider visiting Blackstone Company (pizza/brewpub), Viking Motel, Northern Expressions, Norway Mercantile, True Value or Pat's Foods, etc.. Mention that you're there charging your car and ask them to thank Downtown Development and the city council. That will help get more chargers.