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As AWD and P use the same motors, inverters etc. (only differences are lot sorting and testing) are there technical limitations to Tesla offering a paid upgrade to Performance after delivery?
Good analogy, but then again, you can overclock Intel and AMD CPUs. I wonder if Tesla could offer such an upgrade at the owner’s risk if their concern is one of future reliability. Also may depends on how much variance there is in their inverters, etc. If 2 sigma from the mean hardly makes a difference then their sorting may also not make much difference.I think the sorting and testing is critical. Same reason Intel and AMD don't offer software upgrades to increase CPU frequencies.
Good analogy, but then again, you can overclock Intel and AMD CPUs. I wonder if Tesla could offer such an upgrade at the owner’s risk if their concern is one of future reliability. Also may depends on how much variance there is in their inverters, etc. If 2 sigma from the mean hardly makes a difference then their sorting may also not make much difference.
I don't think a software upgrade to P is out of the question. The hardware is the same, "selection" and "burning in" notwithstanding.
I don't think a software upgrade to P is out of the question. The hardware is the same, "selection" and "burning in" notwithstanding.
Or maybe even a hardware upgrade if there's a significant difference between the motors. Tesla swaps out motors for warranty purposes all the time. Much easier than swapping out a gasoline engine. Maybe they could charge $25000 for the upgrade ($5000 or so more than getting a P upfront).
Maybe but it seems likely that Tesla would rather keep the production line as similar as possible in this case.The motors are already the same motors.
But we don't know, for sure, that there's no other HW differences that allow higher discharge rates between the batteries and the motor.... (on the S for example it's the fuse and contactor)
For the Performance, not AWD.
What doesn't make sense to me is that 3.5s is only 46% faster than 5.1s. So if they're using the same rear motor and controller as the LR then the front motor just has to be about half the power of the rear motor to achieve the performance 0-60 time. There's no need for a better rear motor or controller at all.
I think the binned motor thing might be mostly BS.
Are we sure they're not putting a smaller rear motor in the regular AWD like they did with the S?
Until Tesla can make the S faster, it makes sense to antisell the 3. Meaning closer to 3 than 3.5 is the true performance.
After all, the Model 3 P is HALF the price of a P100D.
They can't really make the S faster from 0-60 though. They're pretty much at the traction limit unless they start shipping it with drag racing tires. I would like to see a manufacturer try some sort of active downforce like a fan to suck the car towards the ground...Until Tesla can make the S faster, it makes sense to antisell the 3. Meaning closer to 3 than 3.5 is the true performance.
After all, the Model 3 P is HALF the price of a P100D.
I think they are the same - if you take a look at the configurator the picture is identical for both.What doesn't make sense to me is that 3.5s is only 46% faster than 5.1s. So if they're using the same rear motor and controller as the LR then the front motor just has to be about half the power of the rear motor to achieve the performance 0-60 time. There's no need for a better rear motor or controller at all.
I think the binned motor thing might be mostly BS.
Are we sure they're not putting a smaller rear motor in the regular AWD like they did with the S?
I suppose they could do a cost down in the future but for now they want the production simplicity of a single rear motor design. That would mean that the AWD is severely nerfed unless we are to believe that the front motor is only 10% of the power the rear. Though I suppose that wouldn't be a crazy design if your primary goal is snow and ice traction.I think they are the same - if you take a look at the configurator the picture is identical for both.
Yep, I think it’s nerfed, and I think even the P is nerfed.I suppose they could do a cost down in the future but for now they want the production simplicity of a single rear motor design. That would mean that the AWD is severely nerfed unless we are to believe that the front motor is only 10% of the power the rear. Though I suppose that wouldn't be a crazy design if your primary goal is snow and ice traction.