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CapeOne
Active Member
I was talking about FSD, not just AP. Search their current used inventory and every car (with at least HW 2.0) is going to have FSD.
israndy
Supercharger Hunter
Taking you at your word I went to Tesla.com inventory and clicked on Used and 2020 and found this:
You get that Full Self-Driving Capability is NOT FSD, right? Just means that it has the computer, but it's gonna cost you to activate it.
You get that Full Self-Driving Capability is NOT FSD, right? Just means that it has the computer, but it's gonna cost you to activate it.
I agree that it's confusing, but "Full Self-Driving Capability" on a used Tesla from tesla.com means the actual $10,000 FSD package is fully included with this purchase. The $10,000 FSD is also included free with almost every used Tesla built since Nov2016 if you buy it on tesla.com
CapeOne
Active Member
No, that's not right. "Full self driving capability" is what is commonly referred to as FSD.
Again, all of Tesla’s used inventory cars with at least HW 2.0 have it right now. It doesn't mean just AP or that you have to pay $10k more to get it. If it lists "full self driving capability", that means it has the $10k (current retail) “FSD".
CapeOne
Active Member
It is factored into the asking price (i.e., you don't pay an additional cost on top of that) but I wouldn't necessarily say it is included for "free." The added cost/value is simply baked into the price.
israndy
Supercharger Hunter
What is this image? It seems to indicate that it's an ADDITIONAL $10,000 to get FSD.
I went back to the Tesla site and again selected Model S, Used, 2020 and that same $93,100 black car showed up, I then clicked Full Self Driving and it was removed from the list... Just saying
CapeOne
Active Member
The image was from a NEW car order summary page. I was attempting to show that "full self driving capability" is indeed what is referred to by FSD. On a NEW car, "full self driving capability" is the $10k option.
Once again, Tesla currently includes "full self driving capability" (yes, FSD) in the listed price on each of its inventory used cars with at least HW 2.0.
The 2020 MS Performance you referenced above includes FSD in the $93,100 listed price.
israndy
Supercharger Hunter
Let me give it a shot to state it briefly, for those who are reading this thread:
Every single used Tesla vehicle sold on tesla.com that was built since November 2016 includes "Full Self-Driving Capability" (aka FSD) at no additional cost. This is the same FSD that Tesla charges $10,000 for on new cars. Hope this helps someone.
Every single used Tesla vehicle sold on tesla.com that was built since November 2016 includes "Full Self-Driving Capability" (aka FSD) at no additional cost. This is the same FSD that Tesla charges $10,000 for on new cars. Hope this helps someone.
pl8dlikafiddle
Member
It’s been this way for at least a year. This is nothing new.
My father just purchased a used 2018 Model S with “Full Self Driving Capability” - it’s the FSD package.
DBO.
Member
I also just purchased a used Nov 2016 (ap2) model s and it came with the FSD package. Obviously I still have to do the MCU2 and HW3 upgrades to use the package to its current abilities, but it’s there nonetheless.
This is correct. I just spoke with a Tesla Rep yesterday and confirmed that all USED cars on their website with HW 2.0 and above will have FSD included in price.
israndy
Supercharger Hunter
What??
Tesla’s used prices with FSD are almost always similar in price as to what private sellers are posting online, even here, without FSD. And you get an extra year of warranty buying from Tesla.
Even more ridiculous are the many private ads that try to sell used for the same price as a NEW one from Tesla.
I can understand why because Tesla has been continuing to lower prices, but don’t expect people to pay the same as a current new for something two years old.
For example, a very quick look at the FS here, the top thread right now was of someone who tried to sell a 2019 SR+ for just $2,000 less (even less difference with some state specific and utility incentives) than 2021 new because the poster originally bought it for $43K. I mean, Performance Model 3 was like $83K or something IIRC when it first came out, and now it’s just $55K.
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100% agree. Not sure why there are a lot of suggestions to buy private party vs. Tesla themselves.
Tesla prices (with included FSD and warranty) are much more competitive than most private party. The only real difference is that zero used Tesla's in their inventory will have free lifetime unlimited supercharging (something you can get via private party sales for cars that were grandfathered in). I have it on my MS, but not a deal breaker TBH.
Also, dealership cars typically have no FSD included in their cars.
Rogue Synapse
Member
I think free unlimited supercharging is more of a psychological reward than an actual important benefit to weigh. I have FUSC and use it occasionally to charge up in town, and of course on road trips, but the benefit is really a few hundred dollars for most people, at most.
Update - been waiting to se what happens to prices post-refresh. Tesla shows no preowned inventory directly through the site for me (directs to order new instead). Cars listed through EV-CPO are showing options I haven’t seen before (base autopilot on 2017?). Anyone else seeing this?
Yes I noticed this too on tesla.com . Starting yesterday, several used listings are appearing with AP only, not FSD. I noticed it on Model S and Model 3.
