URGENT help needed: Significantly reduced range on a P90DL - should I take delivery?

[darxsys]

If you’re not in a rush, just don’t buy it and wait for something better. No need to buy something you will regret.

 

[Super_Popular]

You will have a hard time selling so I'd pass.

 

[Ostrichsak]

You will have a hard time selling so I'd pass.

ROFL

This is a Tesla P90DL we're talking about here not a 1980's Yugo.

 

[darxsys]

ROFL

This is a Tesla P90DL we're talking about here not a 1980's Yugo.

That doesn’t mean people will flock to buy a Tesla car with severely degraded battery in a year or two.

 

[Ostrichsak]

That doesn’t mean people will flock to buy a Tesla car with severely degraded battery in a year or two.

10% is "severely" depleted now? C'mon.

Bottom line is it's still a P90DL and if he buys it right now he'll get good value for it later.

This isn't an entry-level Model 3 we're talking about here. Now those will be impossible to get any value out of on the resale market a few years from now.

 

[ChiP90D]

Out of curiosity does the car have 21” wheels? Other members feel free to correct me, but the P90Ds with 21” wheels show 256 miles at 100% and 19” wheels show 270 miles at 100%.

 

[TMThree]

Battery degradation results: it shows 93% at 110,000 miles. After that, the capacity drops by 1% after every 36,000 miles. Therefore, you should expect the following:

93% 110,000 mi
92% 146,000 mi
91% 182,000 mi
90% 218,000 mi
89% 254,000 mi
88% 290,000 mi
87% 326,000 mi
86% 362,000 mi
85% 398,000 mi
84% 434,000 mi
83% 470,000 mi
82% 506,000 mi
81% 542,000 mi
80% 578,000 mi
79% 614,000 mi
78% 650,000 mi

 

[Ostrichsak]

Battery degradation results: it shows 93% at 110,000 miles. After that, the capacity drops by 1% after every 36,000 miles. Therefore, you should expect the following:

93% 110,000 mi
92% 146,000 mi
91% 182,000 mi
90% 218,000 mi
89% 254,000 mi
88% 290,000 mi
87% 326,000 mi
86% 362,000 mi
85% 398,000 mi
84% 434,000 mi
83% 470,000 mi
82% 506,000 mi
81% 542,000 mi
80% 578,000 mi
79% 614,000 mi
78% 650,000 mi

From the data I've seen I feel like 93% @ 110k miles is the exception and not the rule. If anything that's the top end of the window & 88-90% or so would be the bottom end of the window. I

not an exact science & it should be looked at more like a range than an exact # and I still say that if you buy the car right now matter what the window isn't a huge deal. Don't overpay for a specimen at any battery percentage.

You can get a killer price for a car with 12% battery degradation and conversely you can overpay for a car that's only showing 5% battery degradation. Just make sure you're getting good value for your money and you understand what you're getting into and then determine if that particular vehicle meet your particular needs.

In my opinion the options, color combo & what you need for the car will play more of a part in resale than miles & battery percentage.

 

[TMThree]

From the data I've seen I feel like 93% @ 110k miles is the exception and not the rule. If anything that's the top end of the window & 88-90% or so would be the bottom end of the window.

It isn't the exception. Here is the raw data it comes from:

Tesla Battery Survey

You can break it out by any individual contributor to see their data points.

 

[Ostrichsak]

It isn't the exception. Here is the raw data it comes from:

Tesla Battery Survey

You can break it out by any individual contributor to see their data points.

The key there is "individual contributor" as the data only accounts for those who have contributed to the data pool. I own three Model S's and never entered anything into that survey. I've also seen many, many, MANY used 60's, 70's, 75's, 85's and 90's as I've been shopping in the used market for nearly a year now. In my experience, the numbers I listed are closer to accurate than the cherry picked #'s from that link.

Regardless, my statement still holds true: It's all about what you pay. As long as you're smart about shopping a car with higher degradation can still be a good deal. Some people are freaking out over a percent or two which seems silly.

 

[TMThree]

The key there is "individual contributor" as the data only accounts for those who have contributed to the data pool. I own three Model S's and never entered anything into that survey.

Statistics doesn't need to poll every individual to get accurate data on a topic. Given the duration and number of vehicles, I'm fairly confident that the degradation numbers shown is more accurate than anything available other than an official report from Tesla. Certainly more accurate than the local sample set you're eyeballing.

The numbers I listed are closer to accurate than the cherry picked #'s from that link.

There is a clear trend with the numbers reported. Not sure why you think otherwise.