Can a 2017 X with FSD do everything that a 2021 X can do? What about the big FSD software upgrade right around the corner?
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Why would Tesla advertise all 2017 Used X's as Full Self Driving Capability then?Unfortunately we can not give a accurate answer to your question.
We would need to first confirm what infotainment screen is present on the 2017 Model X. If the vehicle in question does not have the entertainment features, then FSD on this particular Model X will not be the same as the FSD on a 2021 Model. The vehicle will function the same, however the driving visualization will be absent. It would be like playing a PS1 game where everyone else is on PS5 with 8K/120fps/Ray-Tracing.
Most likely, the 2017 Model X will need the infotainment upgrade currently priced at $2,500+taxes
Can a 2017 X with FSD do everything that a 2021 X can do? What about the big FSD software upgrade right around the corner?
Also I believe newer ones have different radar? If so does anyone have any experience comparing both old vs new AP?Technically, mcu1 and autopilot hardware 3 work together. So, it is advertised as fsd. In reality, folks say that mcu1 cannot handle the combo. If you are ok spending 2500 on the mcu2 upgrade, the used 2017 with fsd will literally have the same computer hardware as a 2021 (only difference is the cameras are a bit upgraded since 2017, but doesn’t seem to matter besides sharper dashcam videos). This week FSD goes to a 10k price, I suspect the used car you’re looking at will be a great deal
Also I believe newer ones have different radar? If so does anyone have any experience comparing both old vs new AP?
I think the radar is the same on all the AP2-3 cars so far (new one hinted at coming next year). you may be confusing ap1 vs ap2-3
Because, with the right retrofit, that car is CAPABLE of FSD. If you were looking at an AP1 car, they ARE NOT capable, and never will be, of FSD.Why would Tesla advertise all 2017 Used X's as Full Self Driving Capability then?
This discussion is not about AP1 vehicles.Because, with the right retrofit, that car is CAPABLE of FSD. If you were looking at an AP1 car, they ARE NOT capable, and never will be, of FSD.
Because, with the right retrofit, that car is CAPABLE of FSD. If you were looking at an AP1 car, they ARE NOT capable, and never will be, of FSD.
No.
Anywhere Tesla uses the phrase “Full Self Driving Capability” - it is equipped with the FSD hardware AND software. It means it already has the FSD package. That is a point of confusion for many but the phrase “Full Self Driving Capability” has a specific meaning at Tesla ... it’s not just “capable”, it does have the package.
You are right that AP1.0 vehicles cannot have FSD.
That's my main question. Are they selling any used 2017 Model X that says "Full Self Driving Capability" with MCU2? Seems like it would have to be.How can this be so if MCU1 is not capable of FSD?
How can this be so if MCU1 is not capable of FSD?
Doesn't sound like you are speaking from experience.No. If your S/X is produced prior to 3/2018 then it came with MCU1. If that car has paid for FSD already, you can get HW3 upgrade for no additional cost in theory or in the advertisement.
It is absolutely compatible.How can this be so if MCU1 is not capable of FSD?
FSD works fine from an FSD perspective. The lag with MCU1 only impacts the MCU functions and not FSD. I have been using all available FSD features since June with no issues. There is lag when using Teslacam with an USB drive installed in a port regardless if you are recording or not. The fix is to not install the USB drive disabling Teslacam. The lag goes away. Personally, the lag doesn't bother me. It is only when initiating navigation for the first time during a drive. Or, initiating voice controls for the first time during a drive. I have a routine when I start a drive. I immediately initiate voice commands and let it load then cycle through until it auto cancels. Then it works great after that. I do the same with navigation. It seems like it is a caching issue. Takes longer to initially start those two modules.That's my main question. Are they selling any used 2017 Model X that says "Full Self Driving Capability" with MCU2? Seems like it would have to be.
How big of lag are we talking about?FSD works fine from an FSD perspective. The lag with MCU1 only impacts the MCU functions and not FSD. I have been using all available FSD features since June with no issues. There is lag when using Teslacam with an USB drive installed in a port regardless if you are recording or not. The fix is to not install the USB drive disabling Teslacam. The lag goes away. Personally, the lag doesn't bother me. It is only when initiating navigation for the first time during a drive. Or, initiating voice controls for the first time during a drive. I have a routine when I start a drive. I immediately initiate voice commands and let it load then cycle through until it auto cancels. Then it works great after that. I do the same with navigation. It seems like it is a caching issue. Takes longer to initially start those two modules.