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V3 charger

Discussion in 'Model X: Battery & Charging' started by Airport Dog, Mar 7, 2019.

  1. Airport Dog

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    So Model X and S owners can't use the new chargers, right? Does that mean that we will have to wait until an old charger is available in order to charge, and that some locations might not have any old chargers available at all to charge my Model X?
     
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  2. Rocky_H

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    No, that's not true at all. Why did you get an idea like that? All of the announcements about it just said that the very high rate capability can't do anything better for the older cars.
     
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    https://electrek.co/2019/03/06/tesla-supercharger-v3-kw-capacity-efficiency/

    The company did note that they will “increase Model S and X charging speeds via software updates in the coming months”, but they didn’t specify to what capacity.


    That said, they did say that they going to update current V2 infrastructure to a new peak charge rate of 145kW for single-vehicle charging (when not sharing the next Supercharger stall).


    They wrote about the availability of the new Supercharger capacity:


    “Beginning today, we’re opening the first public beta site in the Bay Area, which will incrementally be made available to owners in Tesla’s Early Access Program. We’re launching V3 Supercharging for Model 3, our highest volume vehicle, and we’ll continue to expand access as we review and assess the results of millions of charging events. We will increase Model S and X charging speeds via software updates in the coming months. V3 Supercharging will roll out to the wider fleet in an over the air firmware update to all owners in Q2 as more V3 Superchargers come online. Our first non-beta V3 Supercharger site will break ground next month, with North American sites ramping in Q2 and Q3 before coming to Europe and Asia-Pacific in Q4.”
     
  4. Airport Dog

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    Exactly. I read the final quote of BBG523's post as meaning that the V3 superchargers are only for the Model 3, and that a Model X or S cannot plug into them at all. V2 superchargers will get a rate increase, but that is a separate deal. Even farther in the future, Model X or S owners might be able to use the V3 superchargers, but don't hold your breath. They have to think about it.
     
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    Hey Gang, So the V3s can be used with the S & X, it just won't allow to charge at a 250kW rate. Most likely if and when we get an upgrade we may see 145kW. The V2s will also bump up to 145kW non shared stall.

    So While the M3s have the higher 250kW rates we'll hopefully see a bump for the S & X regardless of using the V2 or V3 stalls.
     
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  6. dgatwood

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    Singular. There's only one V3 supercharger currently in existence, and that's the one near their HQ. They haven't even started building the second one yet. In other words, this is much ado about almost nothing. :)

    AFAIK, the S and X currently cap their charging at 120 kW rate, so the only advantage over a V2 supercharger is that you aren't sharing wattage with the sister stall next to you. It won't go faster than that until a future firmware update.

    It will be interesting to see the actual maximum speed of the S and X after they enable it. Obviously, it will be at least 145 kW, but it could be considerably higher. The V3 Superchargers produce 250 kW at 350V, which is about 714 amps. Assuming it can produce the same amperage at the older packs' higher voltage (400V), the Model S and Model X could ostensibly charge at up to 285kW, assuming the cooling is adequate and the wires from the charge port to the pack can handle that much current. I doubt it will be faster than that. Reality could be anywhere in between. :)
     

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